Ethics of Fur

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Is it ethical for modern, civilized man to raise and kill animals for their fur?

Something like 85% of the fur industry’s skins come from animals living captive in fur factory farms–is this ethical???

Any compelling reasons/moral imperatives to cease procuring animal fur, specifically by these methods?

Any additional thoughts on hunting animals for the sole purpose of trophies, e.g., canned hunts that are designed specifically for the hunter to bring home an exotic trophy skin?? (This may be a related corollary to the fur farming topic–as it is about killing animals for their skins/fur and not for “food.”)
 
Marfran said:
Is it ethical for modern, civilized man to raise and kill animals for their fur?

Something like 85% of the fur industry’s skins come from animals living captive in fur factory farms–is this ethical???

Any compelling reasons/moral imperatives to cease procuring animal fur, specifically by these methods?

Any additional thoughts on hunting animals for the sole purpose of trophies, e.g., canned hunts that are designed specifically for the hunter to bring home an exotic trophy skin?? (This may be a related corollary to the fur farming topic–as it is about killing animals for their skins/fur and not for “food.”)
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It is the utmost of vanity to kill something so as to impress others with one’s wealth or status. I can understand that there was a time when people didn’t have options, but really today I can think of NO reason to justify the wearing of fur for fashion.
 
Marfran said:
Is it ethical for modern, civilized man to raise and kill animals for their fur?

Something like 85% of the fur industry’s skins come from animals living captive in fur factory farms–is this ethical???

Any compelling reasons/moral imperatives to cease procuring animal fur, specifically by these methods?

Any additional thoughts on hunting animals for the sole purpose of trophies, e.g., canned hunts that are designed specifically for the hunter to bring home an exotic trophy skin?? (This may be a related corollary to the fur farming topic–as it is about killing animals for their skins/fur and not for “food.”)
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The artificial fabrics do better in keeping someone warm and they are certainly not more expensive. It may have been justified in the past when these were not available but now? It is wanton cruelty to breed and kill animals for their fur.

I wander how many need to hunt to eat. To hunt for the thrill is sickening. It is not sport. The animals do not have a choice. There is something evil about enjoying the fear of an animal in pursuing it and then killing it. Also who are these who want parts of dead animals on their walls, on their floors and on them?
 
severus68 said:
Also who are these who want parts of dead animals on their walls, on their floors and on them?
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I just don’t get that–why would anyone want a dead animal on their back, around their neck, or hanging on their wall??? Wealthy people pay big bucks to go on ***canned ***safari hunts so that hey can shoot and kill an elephant, wild cat, or other exotic animal to hang on their wall. I think we should ***shoot animals with cameras ***instead!!!
 
As long as the animals aren’t being pushed to extinction or harvested cruelly I don’t see a problem with it. Fur does have a lot of advantages over synthetic fibers and is really comfy too.
 
Tosk said:
As long as the animals aren’t being pushed to extinction or harvested cruelly I don’t see a problem with it. Fur does have a lot of advantages over synthetic fibers and is really comfy too.
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But they are harvested cruelly!!! They are confined in tiny cages, not allowed to stretch their legs or move about, killed for their fur (often killed by **anal electrocution **so as to not damage their coat), the rest of their bodies disgarded…

hsus.org/furfree/news/this_season_fur-free_is_the_fashion.html

ceaseboston.org/furfacts.html

google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/fox-fur-03.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/fox-fur-03.html&h=355&w=504&sz=44&tbnid=gsaFxIpMngQSSM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dphoto%2Bfox%2Bfur&usg=__gRz136heUOCu0AN2oI5h0lMoR2Q=&ei=dwXOStT2KIie8AbllPmDBA&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image
 
vz71 said:
OK, I just need to ask this question here.

How do you know the emotional status of an animal?
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We have a connection with animals. Animals have emotions too and can suffer. I have witnessed joy and fear in animals. Animals are feeling beings too. If a hunted animal does not feel fear or apprehension, it would just sit or stand there to be shot or blundgened to death.
 
vz71 said:
OK, I just need to ask this question here.

How do you know the emotional status of an animal?
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Well, according to the Bible, at least one animal was given the gift of human speech long enough to tell her owner exactly how she felt about the way he treated her! 😃
 
vz71 said:
OK, I just need to ask this question here.

How do you know the emotional status of an animal?
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And what bearing does that have on whether to cause, or not to cause animals to suffer???
 
severus68 said:
We have a connection with animals.
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little doubt here.
Whether you view them as lunch, clothing, or a pet…there is a connection.
severus68 said:
Animals have emotions too and can suffer. I have witnessed joy and fear in animals.
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How do you know you are witnessing true emotions instead of learned behaviors or instincts?
severus68 said:
Animals are feeling beings too. If a hunted animal does not feel fear or apprehension, it would just sit or stand there to be shot or blundgened to death.
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I do not buy your premise.
There is a survival instinct shared by most creatures on the planet.
I would first believe that it is that instinct that makes animals run when hunted before I would buy into the idea that they feel fear.
 
Marfran said:
But they are harvested cruelly!!! They are confined in tiny cages, not allowed to stretch their legs or move about, killed for their fur, the rest of their bodies disgarded…/QUOTE]

That is a really wasteful way to get fur and I wouldn’t support that but there are ethical ways to harvest animal fur. I raise and hunt rabbits for example and there is no reason to just throw away the fur.
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4elise said:
Some things sold in the US even labeled ‘faux fur’ from China are actually cat or dog fur: hilary.com/fashion/cats-dogs-killed-sold-faux-fur.html

hsus.org/furfree/home.html - some resources on this issue…
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I heard about that. One of those who carried those jackets took them off the shelves whie the other kept them, saying, I think that it wasnt dog as we know it but some wild dog. I gather some labels were obscured or something. I check and recheck that its faux fur before I buy. Let the animals keep their fur.
 
Marfran said:
But they are harvested cruelly!!! They are confined in tiny cages, not allowed to stretch their legs or move about, killed for their fur (often killed by **anal electrocution **so as to not damage their coat), the rest of their bodies disgarded…
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That is a really wasteful way to get fur and I wouldn’t support that but there are ethical ways to harvest animal fur. I raise and hunt rabbits for example and there is no reason to just throw away the fur.
 
vz71 said:
It doesn’t.
But I will not give a free pass to emotionalism being brought into the argument.
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It is an ethical issue and to me ( and I am not ashamed of this) emotional issue. It is also an issue of compassion.
 
Tosk said:
That is a really wasteful way to get fur and I wouldn’t support that but there are ethical ways to harvest animal fur. I raise and hunt rabbits for example and there is no reason to just throw away the fur.
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Ok–the question is: Is it ethical for **modern, civilized **man ***to raise and kill ***animals for their fur?

Hunting rabbits for food and utilizing the fur would be in a different category. Your method is not the method used in the factory fur industry.

And, one can argue that it is OK to hunt for food, but is it ethical to hunt an animal solely for the purpose of trophy???
 
vz71 said:
little doubt here.
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How do you know you are witnessing true emotions instead of learned behaviors or instincts?
Whether you view them as lunch, clothing, or a pet…there is a connection
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Human beings also have the instinct for survival. Fear comes into it. Why would they be worried about their survival if they do not fear they will not survive. They suffer and so they feel. Surely you are not saying animals do not feel pain too?
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vz71 said:
It doesn’t.
But I will not give a free pass to emotionalism being brought into the argument.
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I can assure you that animals do feel fear. And fear is emotionalism??? Fear serves a very practicle purpose–without fear both animals and humans would walk right into danger and get themselves killed.

Animals are sentient beings, capable of suffering and feelng pain.

I would agree with you that for purposes of a cohesive discussion, we posters should not rely on emotionalism, or expressions of emotion, to advance our arguments, or in the determination and/or solution of a moral direction for this topic.
 
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