Euch Prayers for Children - New Translation?

[Elzee]

At Mass this morning during the Liturgy of the Eucharist the cantor led the congregation with the response “We praise you, We bless you, We thank you”. I did some searching and it looks like this is from (approved?) Eucharistic Prayers for Children.

Will these still be allowed when the New Translation rolls out this month? Have they been revised?

 

[TheMc]

At Mass this morning during the Liturgy of the Eucharist the cantor led the congregation with the response “We praise you, We bless you, We thank you”. I did some searching and it looks like this is from (approved?) Eucharistic Prayers for Children.

Will these still be allowed when the New Translation rolls out this month? Have they been revised?

Not that I know of, thank goodness. At least for the time being.

 

[promethius]

At Mass this morning during the Liturgy of the Eucharist the cantor led the congregation with the response “We praise you, We bless you, We thank you”. I did some searching and it looks like this is from (approved?) Eucharistic Prayers for Children.

Will these still be allowed when the New Translation rolls out this month? Have they been revised?

Is there something wrong with them?

 

[TheMc]

Is there something wrong with them?

They are very dumbed down.

Priest: God, our loving Father, we are glad to give you thanks and praise because you love us. With Jesus we sing your praise:

All: Glory to God in the highest.
or: Hosanna in the highest.

Priest: Because you love us, you gave us this great and beautiful world. With Jesus we sing your praise:

All: Glory to God in the highest.
or: Hosanna in the highest.

Priest: Because you love us, you sent Jesus your Son to bring us to you and to gather us around him as the children of one family. With Jesus we sing your praise:

All: Glory to God in the highest.
or: Hosanna in the highest.

Priest: For such great love, we thank you with the angels and saints as they praise you and sing (say):

 

[promethius]

They are very dumbed down.

Priest: God, our loving Father, we are glad to give you thanks and praise because you love us. With Jesus we sing your praise:

All: Glory to God in the highest.
or: Hosanna in the highest.

Priest: Because you love us, you gave us this great and beautiful world. With Jesus we sing your praise:

All: Glory to God in the highest.
or: Hosanna in the highest.

Priest: Because you love us, you sent Jesus your Son to bring us to you and to gather us around him as the children of one family. With Jesus we sing your praise:

All: Glory to God in the highest.
or: Hosanna in the highest.

Priest: For such great love, we thank you with the angels and saints as they praise you and sing (say):

I figured you don’t like them. I was asking the person who referred to the Eucharist as “Euch” what her particular issue with them was though…

 

[Elzee]

I used “Euch” just as an abbreviation to make the title shorter.

I don’t care for them either…for much the same reason as TheMc. They are very dumbed down. The new language is so beautiful that now, more than ever, they seem very out-dated and out of congruence.

 

[zab]

I used “Euch” just as an abbreviation to make the title shorter.

 

[promethius]

I used “Euch” just as an abbreviation to make the title shorter.

I don’t care for them either…for much the same reason as TheMc. They are very dumbed down. The new language is so beautiful that now, more than ever, they seem very out-dated and out of congruence.

Except that they are supposed to be simple… hence their use for children’s masses. So what is wrong about simplified Eucharistic prayers that isn’t wrong about abreviating the word Eucharist to “Euch”?

 

[Digitonomy]

Will these still be allowed when the New Translation rolls out this month? Have they been revised?

I seem to remember reading on a thread a few months ago that the Eucharistic Prayers for Children’s Masses will be revised in coming years, but that they were still permitted for now despite the replacement of other translations by the revised missal. Hopefully someone will be along who can cite the source of that information.

 

[MarkThompson]

At Mass this morning during the Liturgy of the Eucharist the cantor led the congregation with the response “We praise you, We bless you, We thank you”. I did some searching and it looks like this is from (approved?) Eucharistic Prayers for Children.

Will these still be allowed when the New Translation rolls out this month? Have they been revised?

As I previously detailed here, the word from Rome is that yes, the current Eucharistic Prayers for Masses with Children will continue to be permitted, until such time in the eventual future as they, too, are revised.

 

[Elzee]

Oh brother. You’re really going to start a discussion and a comparison on the fact that I abbreviated the word “Eucharist” in the title of a thread? Okay. To clarify, I didn’t “dumb down” the word Eucharist to Euch so people would better understand it (as I suppose you might be thinking if you are somehow relating this to the Children’s Mass). I wasn’t sure how long my title would end up being (I create them on the fly) and if the title would be truncated if it ended up being long, so I abbreviated a word so the entire title could be seen. I suppose I could have abbreviated the word “Children” or “Translation”, but I just started with the first word.

How this is at all analogous to the wording and text we use at Mass, I don’t know, but if you see a correlation, then okay.

Now, on to the point. It is a matter of preference, that is all. Some people like the Children’s Mass prayers; that is fine. If they are approved for use by the Holy See then that is great and I will defend their use as such. I, personally, don’t care for the wording and think the richness of the New Translation exposes our children early on to the fact that the Mass IS something different and higher language is appropriate. It helps set the Mass apart from our “every day” words. I would prefer to use the more scared language and take the time to explain to children what it means. Kind of like the whole “consubstantial” argument. Some Bishops didn’t want to include that word because it wasn’t familiar and easy more many to understand without explanation. I agree with the position to use the word that best describes what you are trying to say and that best conveys and supports the atmosphere (hopefully a sacred atmosphere) you are trying to create, and then explain it.

It’s a matter of personal preference and opinion.

 

[TheMc]

As I previously detailed here, the word from Rome is that yes, the current Eucharistic Prayers for Masses with Children will continue to be permitted, until such time in the eventual future as they, too, are revised.

Dang. I didn’t know about that.

 

[Elzee]

As I previously detailed here, the word from Rome is that yes, the current Eucharistic Prayers for Masses with Children will continue to be permitted, until such time in the eventual future as they, too, are revised.

I imagine we’ll see an increased usage of these then … the priest who said Mass today has made his dislike of the New Translation very evident so using these may provide him an approved alternative. (Of course he also changes the words of the current Translation to his own liking…very sad.)

 

[promethius]

Oh brother. You’re really going to start a discussion and a comparison on the fact that I abbreviated the word “Eucharist” in the title of a thread? Okay. To clarify, I didn’t “dumb down” the word Eucharist to Euch so people would better understand it (as I suppose you might be thinking if you are somehow relating this to the Children’s Mass). I wasn’t sure how long my title would end up being (I create them on the fly) and if the title would be truncated if it ended up being long, so I abbreviated a word so the entire title could be seen. I suppose I could have abbreviated the word “Children” or “Translation”, but I just started with the first word.

How this is at all analogous to the wording and text we use at Mass, I don’t know, but if you see a correlation, then okay.

Now, on to the point. It is a matter of preference, that is all. Some people like the Children’s Mass prayers; that is fine. If they are approved for use by the Holy See then that is great and I will defend their use as such. I, personally, don’t care for the wording and think the richness of the New Translation exposes our children early on to the fact that the Mass IS something different and higher language is appropriate. It helps set the Mass apart from our “every day” words. I would prefer to use the more scared language and take the time to explain to children what it means. Kind of like the whole “consubstantial” argument. Some Bishops didn’t want to include that word because it wasn’t familiar and easy more many to understand without explanation. I agree with the position to use the word that best describes what you are trying to say and that best conveys and supports the atmosphere (hopefully a sacred atmosphere) you are trying to create, and then explain it.

It’s a matter of personal preference and opinion.

The point is that abreviating to assure understanding is acceptable in both cases. I personally don’t prefer either (I view abbreviating the word Eucharist as akin to abreviating Jesus to “Jes”). But I also recognize that it’s not my call to make, and that the church allows and restricts what it wants. Glad to see that we’re on the same page on that, actually, but I just wanted to clarify for other readers that you’re not saying that they aren’t valid prayers or that children’s masses are less valid in the eyes of God. Giving the wrong impression in that regard can be dangerous to others.

 

[TheMc]

I just wanted to clarify for other readers that you’re not saying that they aren’t valid prayers or that children’s masses are less valid in the eyes of God. Giving the wrong impression in that regard can be dangerous to others.

Indeed, it can give the wrong impression, but while your statements here are completely true, this is a very dangerous attitude to have (Why do the penitential rite? It’s still valid. Why sing the correct responsorial psalm instead of a haugen psalm? It’s still valid. Why even do the liturgy of the word? It’s still valid…)

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

Indeed, it can give the wrong impression, but while your statements here are completely true, this is a very dangerous attitude to have (Why do the penitential rite? It’s still valid. Why sing the correct responsorial psalm instead of a haugen psalm? It’s still valid. Why even do the liturgy of the word? It’s still valid…)

Well, in this case its not only valid but also licit (which what I think promethius meant).

However, I will say that I do kinda like Children’s EPs for school masses but I do agree that the prefaces for Children’s EPs are kinda overly dumbed down so I use another preface…