Eucharist Adoration

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uniChristian:
Universal Christian, Yes I have. God did dwell in and arround the tabernacle of the Old Covenant but Jesus does not dwell in a house made by hands. Heb.9:11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; John14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. So yes I believe he lives in me. Symbolic Hmmmm, try this one,John6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. So The flesh is nothing, the spirit gives us life. Are his words Spirit or flesh? they would have to be Spirit because the flesh profiteth nothing. My opinion as I have read my bible. I don’t read anywhere wher he says he changed the bread to his flesh and the wine to his blood, Iread it this way in John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. The metaphor of eating and drinking was common in Jesus’ day; it points to a taking within one’s innermost being, These are my thoughts hope you won’t hate me an ridicule me for them.
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Yes Christ resides in Heaven, which is the greatest of tabernacles but that does not mean he does not also reside in the tabernacle at church. When you can give me a reference to where spirit and life means figurative then you may have a point.
 
The verse you quoted IN FULL reads 63"If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life. 65 BUT THERE ARE SOME OF YOU THAT BELIVE NOT. (you perhaps?)

And what were the words he spoke that are spirit and truth:
48 “I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE’
50 " THIS is the Bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.”
52" If any man eat of this bread, HE SHALL LIVE FOREVER, and the bread that I will give, is MY FLESH, for the life of the world."
54 “Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the FLESH OFLTHE SON OF MAN, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.”
55"He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath EVERLASTING LIFE; and I will raise him up in the last day"
57 He that eateth my FLESH, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him."
58 “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth lme, the same also shall live by me.”
and lastly:
59 “THIS IS THE BREAD THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. NOT AS YHOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD. HE THAT EATETH THIS BREAD, SHALL LIVE FOR EVER.”
As for the “spirit that quickeneth”, Jesus explains that in 6:66
“And he said:Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me unless it be given him by the Father”

So those WHO BELIEVED WHAT HE SAID recieved the spirit from the Father. Those who DID NOT BELIEVE,Jesus allowed to leave him. WHY??? BECAUSE HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID–WE ARE TO REALLY AND TRULY EAT HIS FLESH!! I believe.

Look how many times he said to EAT HIS FLESH!!! SEVEN TIMES!!! That is the number of perfection. He MEANT IT!!

Lindalou:yup:
 
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lindalou725:
The verse you quoted IN FULL reads 63"If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life. 65 BUT THERE ARE SOME OF YOU THAT BELIVE NOT. (you perhaps?)

And what were the words he spoke that are spirit and truth:
48 “I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE’
50 " THIS is the Bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.”
52" If any man eat of this bread, HE SHALL LIVE FOREVER, and the bread that I will give, is MY FLESH, for the life of the world."
54 “Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the FLESH OFLTHE SON OF MAN, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.”
55"He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath EVERLASTING LIFE; and I will raise him up in the last day"
57 He that eateth my FLESH, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him."
58 “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth lme, the same also shall live by me.”
and lastly:
59 “THIS IS THE BREAD THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. NOT AS YHOUR FATHERS DID EAT MANNA, AND ARE DEAD. HE THAT EATETH THIS BREAD, SHALL LIVE FOR EVER.”
As for the “spirit that quickeneth”, Jesus explains that in 6:66
“And he said:Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me unless it be given him by the Father”

So those WHO BELIEVED WHAT HE SAID recieved the spirit from the Father. Those who DID NOT BELIEVE,Jesus allowed to leave him. WHY??? BECAUSE HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID–WE ARE TO REALLY AND TRULY EAT HIS FLESH!! I believe.

Look how many times he said to EAT HIS FLESH!!! SEVEN TIMES!!! That is the number of perfection. He MEANT IT!!

Lindalou:yup:
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Sorry I don’t believe it, am I going to go to hell because I don’t?
 
Please do not let uniChristian hijack this beautiful and helpful thread by commenting on his antagonistic posts. I do not believe Uni is here to learn – just to ridicule in this thread.

Back to the topic of helping Cleofet with envisioning Jesus at Adoration…while I am at Adoration, I love to meditate at the Stations of the Cross, and a picture of Divine Mercy. I like the visual aids to help bring me closer with Christ.
 
hey Cleofet i think the best thing for you to do is focus your prayer time on the meditaion aspect. a nice guide for pray can go something like this:
  • Preperation
  • Relection: this is the time were you want to close your eyes and totally focus on the lords presences. remove anything that may distract you.
  • Adoration:Praise God for the many things he has given you
  • Confession: God already knows what you have done wrong, but humble yourself before the lord and tell him were you have messed up
  • Thanksgiving: Make sure you thank him for the things he has given you as well
  • Intercession: Ask and you will reveive.
  • Conclusion: end with an Our Father or a Hail Mary
  • Enactment: make sure you not only praise God for the blessings in your life with your words but with your actions as well.
also a nice way to meditate is reading one of the Psalms or some kind of praise and worship music. They say songs are a very powerful way to get intouch with the Lord.

God Bless,

chb03c
 
Sometimes, we try to see Jesus, body and blood. But we must realize that our eyes deceive us. Focus, rather, on what you believe. Turn inward to the deepest recesses of your soul and offer everything that is you up to Christ. Pray the simple prayer, “Lord, help me in my unbelief.” Even the most devout and believing faithful have reason to pray this prayer. We struggle to perfect our belief. Instead, it is best to acknowledge that you’ll not likely be able to see (in this life) Jesus’ body and blood. But when you know that he’s truly present, when you worship the Eucharist, if you are at peace and surrender yourself to God’s will, you can *feel *his presence. When I go to adoration, sometimes I can feel all of creation bowing down in submission to the Lamb.

Eyes deceive, but faith in God will never lead you astray.

Remember, even if you are the only person in a tiny Blessed Sacrament chapel, you are accompanied by ALL the angels and saints in pure worship and awe of Jesus Christ, the Risen and Living God!

Rev. 5:11-12: I looked again and heard the voices of many angels who surrounded the throne and the living creatures and the elders. They were countless in number, and they cried out in a loud voice: “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches, wisdom and strength, honor and glory and blessing.”
 
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jrabs:
Please do not let uniChristian hijack this beautiful and helpful thread by commenting on his antagonistic posts. I do not believe Uni is here to learn – just to ridicule in this thread.

Back to the topic of helping Cleofet with envisioning Jesus at Adoration…while I am at Adoration, I love to meditate at the Stations of the Cross, and a picture of Divine Mercy. I like the visual aids to help bring me closer with Christ.
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“Love one another as I have loved you”
 
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uniChristian:
Sorry I don’t believe it, am I going to go to hell because I don’t?
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Uni -

Certainly no-one here has suggested anything regarding the disposition of your soul. That is reserved for God at your Final Judgement, and only He can know the truth of your heart. And besides, who knows, you’re still kicking, so there’s still hope that the reason you have come to this forum is by your listening to a stirring in your heart by the Holy Spirit. You may find that our understanding of scripture is more than you ever imagined and that it is amazingly consistant as we go from one portion of Scripture to the next.

Christ established the Catholic Church so that we might have an earthly authority to which we could turn over the ages. He promised that the Gates of Hell would not prevail and they haven’t.

I believe that Christ, as God, is capable of being anywhere, at any time, that He chooses. I believe that He prepared us for the truth of the Eucharist through the ages of the Old Testament Covenant with His Chosen People in the examples of the Manna in the Desert and the Tabernacle. The Tabernacle contained the Tablets (LAW, word - the Bible & Tradition), the Manna (the BODY, the Eucharist) and the Rod (KINGLY AUTHORITY, the Papalcy).

The Old Testament repeatedly foreshadows the New and the New Testament reveals the Old. We learn much by studying all scripture, including the Old (as Timothy so correctly says).

I believe (as scripture tells me) that God desires to have all His children be saved, but that He has allowed us a Free Will so that we can learn the Truth of Love. Love, as demonstrated by the loving sacrifice of Christ, is self sacrificing. In the Old Testament Covenant, God ask the Jew’s to sacrifice an unblemished Lamb on Passover to remember that He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt. The true slavery from which they were delivered was the slavery of worshipping the Egyptian God’s which included the God’s of the Cow, Lamb and Goat, which is why these were the sacrifices God requested.

By Jewish Tradition, on Yom Kippur, the sins of the people are transferred by the Priest (the Rabbi of the Priestly Office) to the sacrificial animal. The remission of sins is complete when the sacrificial animal is eaten. At the Passover Feast, the sacrificial animal is also eaten, along with specific instructions as to how this is to be done and that the meat is not to be held over for the next day.

The Eucharist is the fulfillment of this foreshadowed aspect of the New Covenant. Whereas before we were unable to live up to God’s commands, we are now adopted into God’s family. We sin, time and time again, no doubt. But we have the Sacraments to assist us, to return us to Grace, time and time again.

If you have a Love for the Word of God, you are truly Blessed. I pray you will also discover a yearning for the Body of Christ, as it is truly and substantially available to you.

God Bless,

CARose
 
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CARose:
Uni -

Certainly no-one here has suggested anything regarding the disposition of your soul. That is reserved for God at your Final Judgement, and only He can know the truth of your heart. And besides, who knows, you’re still kicking, so there’s still hope that the reason you have come to this forum is by your listening to a stirring in your heart by the Holy Spirit. You may find that our understanding of scripture is more than you ever imagined and that it is amazingly consistant as we go from one portion of Scripture to the next.

Christ established the Catholic Church so that we might have an earthly authority to which we could turn over the ages. He promised that the Gates of Hell would not prevail and they haven’t.

I believe that Christ, as God, is capable of being anywhere, at any time, that He chooses. I believe that He prepared us for the truth of the Eucharist through the ages of the Old Testament Covenant with His Chosen People in the examples of the Manna in the Desert and the Tabernacle. The Tabernacle contained the Tablets (LAW, word - the Bible & Tradition), the Manna (the BODY, the Eucharist) and the Rod (KINGLY AUTHORITY, the Papalcy).

The Old Testament repeatedly foreshadows the New and the New Testament reveals the Old. We learn much by studying all scripture, including the Old (as Timothy so correctly says).

I believe (as scripture tells me) that God desires to have all His children be saved, but that He has allowed us a Free Will so that we can learn the Truth of Love. Love, as demonstrated by the loving sacrifice of Christ, is self sacrificing. In the Old Testament Covenant, God ask the Jew’s to sacrifice an unblemished Lamb on Passover to remember that He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt. The true slavery from which they were delivered was the slavery of worshipping the Egyptian God’s which included the God’s of the Cow, Lamb and Goat, which is why these were the sacrifices God requested.

By Jewish Tradition, on Yom Kippur, the sins of the people are transferred by the Priest (the Rabbi of the Priestly Office) to the sacrificial animal. The remission of sins is complete when the sacrificial animal is eaten. At the Passover Feast, the sacrificial animal is also eaten, along with specific instructions as to how this is to be done and that the meat is not to be held over for the next day.

The Eucharist is the fulfillment of this foreshadowed aspect of the New Covenant. Whereas before we were unable to live up to God’s commands, we are now adopted into God’s family. We sin, time and time again, no doubt. But we have the Sacraments to assist us, to return us to Grace, time and time again.

If you have a Love for the Word of God, you are truly Blessed. I pray you will also discover a yearning for the Body of Christ, as it is truly and substantially available to you.

God Bless,

CARose
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Thanks for your wonderful post, I was raised Catholic but I have taken a different route to God, I guess my primary reason for leavnig would be the notion of Transubstantiation. I could never swallow that one no pun intended. I do love the Word of God and there are many who need to hear it . Love in Christ.
 
Cleofet,

Don’t be too concerned if you don’t “feel” anything. It’s your will that’s important here. I read somewhere recently that Mother Teresa of Calcutta herself felt alienated from God for most of the time that she was a nun. But she didn’t let her lack of feelings stop her from loving Jesus and serving him. And she has already been declared ''blessed".

She said “The time you spend with Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is the best time you will spend on earth. Each moment you spend with Jesus will deepen your union with Him and make your soul everlastingly more glorious and beautiful in heaven, and will help bring about everlasting peace on earth.”

Don’t get discouraged by the garbage uniChristian is putting on here. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. You have been blessed with faith in the Real Presence. Take advantage of it. And thank God that you have been given such a grace. Everyone isn’t as blessed.

As far as spending time in His presence is concerned, I take along a notebook of prayers and meditations I’ve gathered from various Internet sites on adoration. I also take whatever book I’m reading (right now it’s The Power of Humility by Fr. Canice Bourke or All for Jesus by Frederick Willliam Faber) and my prayer journal. Sometimes I need something to help me focus and sometimes I just sit there with Him.
Violet
 
i’d just like to reaffirm what’s been said thus far - praying the rosary, and reading the book by cruz, helped me alot.

it often doesn’t SEEM like Jesus is there, in the bread (and in the wine, in mass). but He is. He says He is, and He has proven that He is in miracles time and again.

i think that He purposefully puts us in positions where we HAVE to have faith in what He’s said, despite our eyes and ears.

as far as unichristian goes - you asked if you will go to hell for not believing in the eucharist. the answer is complicated, but it is a possible ‘yes’. here is a passage from john 6 for you to contemplate: ‘51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
53Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.’

if He meant it metaphorically, then why didn’t He stop the disciples from leaving after He said it? i don’t mean argue with this passage. i mean think about it. it could be very important to your eternal life.
 
I want to thank everyone that posted. I feel a little less worried about not being able to visualize God in the Tabernacle. Seems faith is the most important thing. The fact that I feel such peace in my crazy hectic life when I spend time with our Lord makes me a believer and if I don’t actually see Him that’s ok. I KNOW He is always with me, and when I feel doubt I will ask Him to give me the grace to continue to pray and visit Him. Thanks again to everyone and if anyone else wants to give more suggestions please do.
 
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uniChristian:
Thanks for your wonderful post, I was raised Catholic but I have taken a different route to God, I guess my primary reason for leavnig would be the notion of Transubstantiation. I could never swallow that one no pun intended. I do love the Word of God and there are many who need to hear it . Love in Christ.
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If you truly love the Word of God, continue to read it, study it and pray it and meditate upon it, for it will surely lead you home. At least once a year, study John 6 with an open mind and let His truth come into your heart, we are waiting for you here at home and long to have you with us. Yours in Christ. pa
 
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puzzleannie:
If you truly love the Word of God, continue to read it, study it and pray it and meditate upon it, for it will surely lead you home. At least once a year, study John 6 with an open mind and let His truth come into your heart, we are waiting for you here at home and long to have you with us. Yours in Christ. pa
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Thank you so much for your concern Sister but I believe I am home now after a long journey. I wouldn’t trade my catholic up-bring for anything else. It was good and pure. I was never a believer in the Transubstantiation process of the Eucharist however, and as you know this is one of the faiths core tenants. I read scripture for years and it was clear to me that Jesus used many figurative patterns in his speech. I have always been one to think on my own and on this one I just did not agree. I am still a devout believer in the Messiah and this faith I attribute to my solid up-bring. I have found that I am not the only one who had this problem as I attend a non-denominational church of about 3000 people and of those 3000 75% of us are former Catholics. So I won’t try to convince anyone here that Jesus is not present in the flesh and blood, I have always believed in the real presence. I believe he is with me right now as I can fell the love from your written words. Please don’t condemn us for our beliefs or lack of, I love Yeshoua with all of my heart and soul. My kids think I am a Jesus freak, I guess I am. Sorry to have rambled but you sounded nice. Love in Christ.
 
cleofet said:
:confused: I just recently started going to visit God in His house on Monday, Wednesday and Friday evening for about an hour. I don’t remember doing this when I was younger. I didn’t come from a very religious family. I guess my ideas of Catholic religion are not very well grounded even tough I have been around for 51 years. A problem I am having right now is that when I go to Church to spend some time with God I sit there in the quite dark Chapel and I believe God is there but I don’t KNOW it. Maybe the better way to say it is I can’t picture Him there in the Tabernacle and I can’t explain it. For some reason I feel that I should understand all of the doctrines of our faith and that I should know how to explain all of it to someone else. I do feel peaceful and safe and I feel God all around me but looking at the place where the Eucharist lies I just can’t picture Him there in body and blood. Then I start to worry that I am this horrible person pretending to be Catholic.
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You’re like the rest of us ? Join the club ! 😃​

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I say some traditional prayers but I feel more comfortable just talking to God. I ask Him if the things I am doing are for the right reasons and not just some selfish attempt to gain heaven.
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I would like to know how other people believe in the “Real Presents of Christ in the Eucharist”. Do they see or picture God as a flesh and blood person standing by the tabernacle or maybe the Holy Spirit or is it just a feeling (like I have)? I have the same compulsion about understanding other doctrines of our faith also. Right now this is one thing that is very troubling to me. I will not stop going to adoration but I would like to know if any one else feels this way. I do think I have a problem with scruples and tend to think everything I do is a sin or at least wrong for one reason or another. Thanks for any light you can shed on this matter. God bless all of you.**

God is God - therefore, beyond all images, likenesses, and representations: mental pictures included. God cannot rightly be compared with created beings, because God is not a creature, but God 🙂 To be God, is to be wholly unique, wholly beyond words. So we have to use our faltering human words, as best we can 🙂​

 
Hi,

With you have scruples, you really need to place yourself in the hands of a really good spiritual director. He will get you through times like this.
The soul that has no spiritual director is like a leaf that falls from the tree. The wind comes and it gets blown this way, then that way…

Yours in Jesus, Mary & Joseph,

John
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cleofet said:
:confused: I do feel peaceful and safe and I feel God all around me
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For me this is the answer to your question.

QUOTE=cleofet]** but looking at the place where the Eucharist lies I just can’t picture Him there in body and blood. **
I don’t thin there is any reason to picture him there. It is obvious that you know he is there, and that is the important thing.

QUOTE=cleofet]Then I start to worry that I am this horrible person pretending to be Catholic. I say some traditional prayers but I feel more comfortable just talking to God. .
Many Catholic people just talk to God. Traditional prayers are common, but most people I know pray by just talking to God most of the time. You can use traditional prayers as often, or as rarely as you like.🙂
 
John Russell Jr:
Hi,

With you have scruples, you really need to place yourself in the hands of a really good spiritual director. He will get you through times like this.
The soul that has no spiritual director is like a leaf that falls from the tree. The wind comes and it gets blown this way, then that way…

Yours in Jesus, Mary & Joseph,

John
Saints are just sinners who keep trying.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon7.gif
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I was thinking about getting a spiritual director but I am not sure how to go about it. I don’t know of anyone that has one and I am not sure how to find one. Is it very expensive? I have so many things I am trying to understand and having someone to speak to that I can trust and that can show me the true teaching of the Church would be great. I don’t want to be looked at like some kind of idiot when I confide in this person. If anyone has any suggestions on finding a spiritual director please post it. Here is one of my idiot questions for all of you. Do regular people request spiritual directors or is this something mostly people in the religious life utilize?

Thanks for all your information.
 
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