Eucharist as sacrifice

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Since Vatican II, what is the view of Eucharist? I was told by a priest at my parish that the previous teaching of viewing it as sacrifice is outdated and it should be taught as a unifying meal instead. He said he uses the Dutch Catechism as it teaches the meal aspect and that is more friendly to non-Catholics as the sacrifice model shows an angry God who needs sacrifice to let us into heaven. I googled the Dutch Catechism and Ian seems wrought with heresy. Thoughts?
 
aquabatix said:
Since Vatican II, what is the view of Eucharist? I was told by a priest at my parish that the previous teaching of viewing it as sacrifice is outdated and it should be taught as a unifying meal instead. He said he uses the Dutch Catechism as it teaches the meal aspect and that is more friendly to non-Catholics as the sacrifice model shows an angry God who needs sacrifice to let us into heaven. I googled the Dutch Catechism and Ian seems wrought with heresy. Thoughts?
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I think you are probably right about the Dutch Catechism. For a long time the Mass was referred to as “The Sacrifice of the Mass.” It is a making present of the one sacrifice of Jesus for our sins, to which we can add our own personal sacrifices, joining them to Jesus.
 
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I was told by a priest at my parish that the previous teaching of viewing it as sacrifice is outdated and it should be taught as a unifying meal instead.
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It’s not either/or… it’s both. That’s the current teaching found in the official Catechism.
 
I have even very recently heard it called “the sacrifice of the mass.” A “unifying meal” sounds rather new-age-ish.
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I don’t know who told you that but yes the Eucharist is still seen as a sacrifice of the Mass. We don’t simply celebrate a Memorial meal when we celebrate the Eucharist it is both and not either-or
 
The Eucharist is a sacrifice. Any Catholic who denies this should get competent spiritual direction, spend copious amounts of time praying before the Blessed Sacrament and read CCC 1330
 
Sacrifice is at the heart of the eucharist - to view it simply as a memorial supper not only downgrades its significance it also undermines the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist since, in the sacrifice of the mass, Christ offers himself (through the person of the priest) as a sacrificial victim, while we also offer ourselves (hence: “my sacrifice and yours”). the mass re-represents (that is, makes present again) Christ’s passion and death - meaning that Christ offers himself, as he did on Calvary, time and time again for “us and for our salvation” as well as “for our good and the good of all his holy Church”. For our part, we are called to make this sacrifice our own by offering ourselves for others as Christ did.

So, taking the element of sacrifice out of the mass, deprives it of all of this beauty as well as depriving the world of the love and charity te flows from Christ’s example. Anyon suggesting otherwise really needs to rethink their sacramental theology!

Oh and it’s also heretical…
 
InThePew said:
Sacrifice is at the heart of the eucharist - to view it simply as a memorial supper not only downgrades its significance it also undermines the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist since, in the sacrifice of the mass, Christ offers himself (through the person of the priest) as a sacrificial victim, while we also offer ourselves (hence: “my sacrifice and yours”). the mass re-represents (that is, makes present again) Christ’s passion and death - meaning that Christ offers himself, as he did on Calvary, time and time again for “us and for our salvation” as well as “for our good and the good of all his holy Church”. For our part, we are called to make this sacrifice our own by offering ourselves for others as Christ did.

So, taking the element of sacrifice out of the mass, deprives it of all of this beauty as well as depriving the world of the love and charity te flows from Christ’s example. Anyon suggesting otherwise really needs to rethink their sacramental theology!

Oh and it’s also heretical…
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Only thing I will add is, as others have said, it’s not either/or. It’s both/and.

We cannot have the true Eucharist without the element of sacrifice. However, we mustn’t forget this sacrifice is also a meal. This is part of what connects it to the Passover meal. The Lamb was sacrificed, and then the people ate the Lamb that was slain.

Depriving the Eucharist of the “communal meal” element also deprives us of remembering we are part of a Church which transcends time and space. In that moment in which I receive the Eucharist, I am connected not only to the sacrifice of Calvary, but also to all my friends present at Mass in the same parish, as well as those not present including those who have gone before (the Saints), those living elsewhere (family, for example), and those who are not yet born. This is part of what we mean by the “Communion of saints.” That we are all connected, both Church Militant and Church Triumphant, in the Eucharist. We are the Body of Christ.
 
In Mane Nobiscum Domine, his Apostolic Letter on the Year of the Eucharist, Pope John Paul II writes:

"15. **There is no doubt that the most evident dimension of the Eucharist is that it is a meal. **The Eucharist was born, on the evening of Holy Thursday, in the setting of the Passover meal. Being a meal is part of its very structure…(and)…

Yet it must not be forgotten that the Eucharistic meal also has a profoundly and primarily sacrificial meaning. In the Eucharist, Christ makes present to us anew the sacrifice offered once for all on Golgotha." (emphasis added)

w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/2004/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20041008_mane-nobiscum-domine.html
 
aquabatix said:
Since Vatican II, what is the view of Eucharist? I was told by a priest at my parish that the previous teaching of viewing it as sacrifice is outdated and it should be taught as a unifying meal instead. He said he uses the Dutch Catechism as it teaches the meal aspect and that is more friendly to non-Catholics as the sacrifice model shows an angry God who needs sacrifice to let us into heaven. I googled the Dutch Catechism and Ian seems wrought with heresy. Thoughts?
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There is an entire section on the Eucharist in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: “The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different.” "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."190

1407 The Eucharist is the heart and the summit of the Church’s life, for in it Christ associates his Church and all her members with his sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving offered once for all on the cross to his Father; by this sacrifice he pours out the graces of salvation on his Body which is the Church.

1410 It is Christ himself, the eternal high priest of the New Covenant who, acting through the ministry of the priests, offers the Eucharistic sacrifice. And it is the same Christ, really present under the species of bread and wine, who is the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice.

1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.

1419 Having passed from this world to the Father, Christ gives us in the Eucharist the pledge of glory with him. Participation in the Holy Sacrifice identifies us with his Heart, sustains our strength along the pilgrimage of this life, makes us long for eternal life, and unites us even now to the Church in heaven, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all the saints.

190 Council of Trent (1562) Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2: DS 1743; cf. Heb 9:14,27.
 
The Eucharist is a sacrificial meal. That’s why the Council of Jerusalem said,

Acts 15:29 “you are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood”
 
aquabatix said:
Since Vatican II, what is the view of Eucharist? I was told by a priest at my parish that the previous teaching of viewing it as sacrifice is outdated and it should be taught as a unifying meal instead. He said he uses the Dutch Catechism as it teaches the meal aspect and that is more friendly to non-Catholics as the sacrifice model shows an angry God who needs sacrifice to let us into heaven. I googled the Dutch Catechism and Ian seems wrought with heresy. Thoughts?
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Pray for him, he’s misinformed.

Ask HIM what is wrong with the USCCB"S Adult Catechism, that he has to refer to the Dut:thumbsup:ch one IN PRIVATE, do make this a public matter
 
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