Eucharist belief

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What is the difference between transubstantiation and the real presence?
 
Real Presence: The bread and wine at communion is truly Christ, physically and spiritually.
Transubstantiation: A specific type of belief in the Real Presence. Specifically, that the bread and wine retain the appearance (accidents) of bread and wine, but the matter (substance?) becomes the body and blood of Christ.
 
I went to an Anglican Church one of their information sessions and they talked believing in the real presence in the Eucharist but not transubstantiation.I always thought they were the same.
 
Transubstantiation is belief in the Real Presence, but not all beliefs in the Real Presence is transubstantiation.
 
There are other churches who believe in real presence but not transubstantiation.

The former is Christ being present in the Eucharist. These churches do not want to specify how that happens. Transubstantiaton, a Catholic doctrine, however does.
 
Anglicans say otherwise. Some of them, that is.

RCs should say precisely what you do, per Apostolicae Curae.
 
I have in my mind that Transubstantiation is the conversion of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ at Mass.

Real Presence I understand to have some variance but essentially the belief that Jesus is present within the bread and wine but not that it becomes His physical body.
 
Well seeing as the anglicans don’t have a valid priesthood it would be a bit hard for them to have them a valid Eucharist.
 
Anglicans say otherwise. Some of them, that is.

RCs should say precisely what you do, per Apostolicae Curae.
 
Fauken said:
Real Presence: The bread and wine at communion is truly Christ, physically and spiritually.
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Truly, really, substantially present. in a new, sacramental and unique way, is the way the Church expresses it…

Not ‘physical’ in the usual meaning of the word. The ‘accidents’ - taste, appearance, location in space - are physically present, not the ‘substance’, which is outside of space and time and not subject to decay as all physical things are.
 
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Transubstantiation
(Latin: transsubstantiatio;
Greek: μετουσίωσις metousiosis)
is,
according to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church,
the change of substance or essence
by which the bread and wine offered
in the sacrifice of the sacrament of the Eucharist during the Mass,
become, in reality, the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

The reaffirmation of this doctrine was expressed, using the word “transubstantiate”,
by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215.

The manner in which the change occurs,
the Roman Catholic Church teaches, is a mystery:
“The signs of bread and wine become,
in a way surpassing understanding,
the Body and Blood of Christ.”

The precise terminology to be used to refer to the nature of the Eucharist,
and its theological implications, has a contentious history
especially in the Protestant Reformation.
 
I would grant that in the Anglican and Lutheran Eucharist that Christ is mysteriously present.

Since Christ is present everywhere as God, and since he also promised that where two or three gather in his name, there he is, and also by virtue of their baptism in Christ and the fact that they commemorate the Lord’s Supper and Death - I would concede to them that Christ is, in fact, mysteriously present in their Eucharist.

They don’t even claim transubstantiation themselves, so no issue there.

The real presence or if they claim real presence is where there would be an issue. I do not believe they have the capability to have a real, Sacramental presence of Christ in their Eucharist. But that doesn’t preclude Christ from being spiritually present in their Eucharist in a mystical manner.
 
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Truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ,

As Trent put it.
 
Depends on which Anglican you might be thinking of, as to transub.

As to real presence, certainly an RC should think it an issue…
 
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Real Presence I understand to have some variance but essentially the belief that Jesus is present within the bread and wine but not that it becomes His physical body.
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I think you may be referring to consubstantaion…which is considered heretical…
 
For the sake of disclosure, I’m becoming a Catholic through RCIA at the Easter Vigil on Saturday.

People have already helpfully provided the definitions. Having been Episcopalian (what Anglicanism became when it came to the USA), I can say that I was informed that we believed in the “Real Presence.” When I asked for clarification, I was told that “we don’t understand exactly what or how it happens, we just know that it does.”

Also, I also used to be Lutheran, and their theological standard for it is consubstantiation. As a Lutheran pastor once explained it to me, con is the Latin for with, so Jesus’s body and blood are present WITH the bread and wine.

I was brought up Baptist, and they believe that the Eucharist is a memorial only. It is called an ordinance (something done because Jesus did it), not a sacrament, for that reason. Baptists don’t have sacraments. Baptism is also considered an ordinance in the Baptist church.
 
That was the standard belief taught when I was a Lutheran, by the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). It was little over a year ago when I left the Lutheran church, so I assume that it’s still being taught.

Most Lutherans in the pews would not have known to call it consubstantiation though. That is the technical theological tern.
 
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