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mgrfin
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Yeah, that is interesting. Apparently, they are more Catholic than Rome.Interesting, there are more than Catholic that see the Body and Blood.
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snowfly
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Not sure if I understand the question, but as a Catholic I thought everybody and their granny could receive at a protestant Church.
But Catholics aren’t allowed to receive in a Protestant Church, because we don’t believe Transubstantiation takes place, so we would be adding credence to something that doesn’t exist, and diminishing the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass.
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GKC
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The belief varies, within Anglicanism, as I said. But in a parish such as mine, that is the reason why the Sacrament is reserved, in a Tabernacle, centered on the altar (which is against the wall, BTW), why the Body and Blood are never touched by anyone not in Orders (no EEMs, that is), why there is a piscina, connecting to consecrated ground, wjy the Blood is consumed, after Mass, if any remains, why we have Eucharistic Adoration, why the altar is reverenced, when one approaches or passes before it,and other things. The Real Presence.Interesting, there are more than Catholic that see the Body and Blood.
But, of course, the RCC does not recognise Anglican orders as valid. Anglicans have a different view of it.
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Ivy_Mom
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Most Lutheran churches (ELCA, etc.) except Missouri Synod (which is not only concentrated in Mo. & is found nationwide) allow baptized Christians to partake of the sacrament. Most Lutherans I know believe that Jesus Christ is really present in the sacrament, is in the bread & wine. It is not just symbolic. This is what Luther believed. Now when you get into the transsubstantiation vs consubstantiation discussion you will find differences.
Anglicans, most of them I know anyway, also believe that Jesus is present in the blood and wine literally. They usually fast before the sacrament & are admonished to come to the sacrament with clean hearts & minds.
So unless you get into the transubstantiation discussion the belief is the same. However, the RCC does not hold Anglican orders as valid because they see a split in the line of apostolic succession since the Reformation. The Anglicans do not see this split.
I do not know about other Protestant denominations or the Orthodox.
Anglicans, most of them I know anyway, also believe that Jesus is present in the blood and wine literally. They usually fast before the sacrament & are admonished to come to the sacrament with clean hearts & minds.
So unless you get into the transubstantiation discussion the belief is the same. However, the RCC does not hold Anglican orders as valid because they see a split in the line of apostolic succession since the Reformation. The Anglicans do not see this split.
I do not know about other Protestant denominations or the Orthodox.
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Yes, that is the common thought that anyone can anywhere. Im seeing here and there that its not accurate. Thats why Im asking everyone.
Things like only symbol, and not taken seriously, etc just wondering so we can dispell some rumours and help with understanding. And in the meantime it will also help me as its a topic I havent thought about much.
Im protestant but always thought of it as Body and Blood so just trying to sort out things in my head. I know about the Catholic way now. So at this point Im asking about the rest. And all learn something hopefully in the process, and now my puter may be debugged I can actually get on line again.
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Kitty_Chan
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Who would be a example of someone in Orders. And whats EEM’s? if you dont mind. Also Im thinking one has to be a church member?
Sounds similar to catholic ways there. See here is a “protestant” group taking care. I think there is a big brush being used in this area.
Yes, I would have suspected that.
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Kitty_Chan
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[/QUOTE]Most Lutheran churches (ELCA, etc.) except Missouri Synod (which is not only concentrated in Mo. & is found nationwide) allow baptized Christians to partake of the sacrament. Most Lutherans I know believe that Jesus Christ is really present in the sacrament, is in the bread & wine. It is not just symbolic. This is what Luther believed. Now when you get into the transsubstantiation vs consubstantiation discussion you will find differences.
Anglicans, most of them I know anyway, also believe that Jesus is present in the blood and wine literally. They usually fast before the sacrament & are admonished to come to the sacrament with clean hearts & minds.
Right this split, seriously until I came to these boards I wasnt really aware of how deep this split was.
transsubstantiation vs consubstantiation Im on the fence about. Im trying to figure it out. Its like wine or juice. It all seems semantics to me. I see Body and Blood so Im finding it very impossible to worry about substance and how it comes that way.
Although it does seem easier to state it all a mystery and leave it alone and get on with it.
But I certainly wouldnt want to get into a arguement at my brother in laws church when they may call it symbolic, that irritates me because its more. But it also depends on how one takes the word symbolic.
Technically every way is symbolic, its all on faith.
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***UKRAINIAN Orthodox Church
Believes in Body and Blood of Jesus Christ received at Communion in Liturgy.
We say with priest at time if go to communion: (ENGLISH BELOW - BUT IN SLAVONIC)
Priest: I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the living God, who camest into the world to save sinners, of whom I am first. I believe also that this is Thine own immaculate Body, and that this is Thine own precious Blood. Therefore, I pray Thee: have mercy upon me, and forgive my offenses both voluntary and involuntary, of word and of deed, committed in knowledge or in ignorance. And make me worthy to partake without condemnation of Thine immaculate Mysteries, unto the forgiveness of my sins and life everlasting. Amen.
Of Thy Mystical Supper, O Son of God, accept me today as a communicant; for I will not speak of Thy Mystery to Thine enemies, neither like Judas will I give Thee a kiss; but like the thief will I confess Thee; Remember me, O Lord, in Thy Kingdom.
May the communion of Thy holy Mysteries be neither to my judgment nor to my condemnation, O Lord, but to the healing of soul and body
Choir: Receive the Body of Christ; taste the fountain of immortality (The choir repeats this as many times as needed). Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
All baptized Orthodox who have been to confession may receive:
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Believes in Body and Blood of Jesus Christ received at Communion in Liturgy.
We say with priest at time if go to communion: (ENGLISH BELOW - BUT IN SLAVONIC)
Priest: I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ, the Son of the living God, who camest into the world to save sinners, of whom I am first. I believe also that this is Thine own immaculate Body, and that this is Thine own precious Blood. Therefore, I pray Thee: have mercy upon me, and forgive my offenses both voluntary and involuntary, of word and of deed, committed in knowledge or in ignorance. And make me worthy to partake without condemnation of Thine immaculate Mysteries, unto the forgiveness of my sins and life everlasting. Amen.
Of Thy Mystical Supper, O Son of God, accept me today as a communicant; for I will not speak of Thy Mystery to Thine enemies, neither like Judas will I give Thee a kiss; but like the thief will I confess Thee; Remember me, O Lord, in Thy Kingdom.
May the communion of Thy holy Mysteries be neither to my judgment nor to my condemnation, O Lord, but to the healing of soul and body
Choir: Receive the Body of Christ; taste the fountain of immortality (The choir repeats this as many times as needed). Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
All baptized Orthodox who have been to confession may receive:
http://www.pravoslavie-verbilki.newmail.ru/chronicle/PalmSunday/Worship/IMAG0089.jpg
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GKC
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A person in Orders is one who has received the sacrament of Holy Orders, through ordination (or consecration, in the case of a bishop) by a validly ordained bishop, in apostolic succession, using the appropriate rite. Normally, that would refer to a priest, deacon or bishop: Catholic clergy.
EEMs are lay persons who distribute the Eucharistic sacrament, at Mass, in some Anglican and RC churches. To do this, they must handle the consecrated elements. This is not permitted in our form of Anglicanism (for many years, it wasn’t permitted anywhere). The very Body and Blood of Christ should only be handled by someone ordained, in our way of thinking.
We offer the Eucharist to any person, baptized by the Trinitarian formula, and confirmed by a bishop in apostolic succession, or desireous of being so confirmed. Of course, in practice, as my priest says, if anyone approaches the altar rail, kneels, and seems to know what he/she is doing, he will communicate them. The altar rail is not the place for an inquisition.
Could be. But we Anglicans think of ourselves as Catholic. Just not Roman Catholic. You can easily find folks who disagree with us.
Yep. As noted above.
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HannahLisa
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The Orthodox have Communion every Sunday. Only Orthodox can take part. They use bread and wine. The priest gives it.
All of the Episcopal churches I have been to celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday. All baptized Christians are invited to take part. They use the wafers and wine. The priest gives it.
The Methodist church I went to has Communion on the first Sunday of the month. They have the little cup as in the picture someone posted and everyone takes one for themselves. Grape juice is substituted for the wine. They do go to the altar rail for Communion. Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior is invited to take part. The pastor serves the bread.
The non-denominational church my boyfriend goes to has a Lord’s Supper about four times a year, where they have a big potluck and then have Communion. One person from each table goes and gets some bread and grape juice and they do the little cups thing. Anyone can receive who is Christian, though the pastor did put a heavy emphasis on not receiving if you were not right with God in some way (sins unconfessed or ones you were not repentant of, etc.)
The Foursquare youth group I go to has had Communion a couple times. They just get some bread and grape juice and people go around giving Communion to each other. I haven’t actually had Communion in the Foursquare church service though. Everyone at the youth group can take part if they want, though again, if you feel you can’t they say don’t take part.
The nice thing about the last three Communion services is, while they don’t recognise the Real Presence or anything, there is a very great sense of community involved in Communion. At the Methodist church, families go up together. At the non-denominational Lord’s Supper, it’s a get-together and then Communion. At the youth group, it is definitely a community thing. With my experiences at the Orthodox and Episcopal churches, the sense of community is just not the same. (I have never received Communion at an Orthodox church, since I am not Orthodox. They do let those who are not Orthodox have some “blessed bread,” though.)
All of the Episcopal churches I have been to celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday. All baptized Christians are invited to take part. They use the wafers and wine. The priest gives it.
The Methodist church I went to has Communion on the first Sunday of the month. They have the little cup as in the picture someone posted and everyone takes one for themselves. Grape juice is substituted for the wine. They do go to the altar rail for Communion. Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior is invited to take part. The pastor serves the bread.
The non-denominational church my boyfriend goes to has a Lord’s Supper about four times a year, where they have a big potluck and then have Communion. One person from each table goes and gets some bread and grape juice and they do the little cups thing. Anyone can receive who is Christian, though the pastor did put a heavy emphasis on not receiving if you were not right with God in some way (sins unconfessed or ones you were not repentant of, etc.)
The Foursquare youth group I go to has had Communion a couple times. They just get some bread and grape juice and people go around giving Communion to each other. I haven’t actually had Communion in the Foursquare church service though. Everyone at the youth group can take part if they want, though again, if you feel you can’t they say don’t take part.
The nice thing about the last three Communion services is, while they don’t recognise the Real Presence or anything, there is a very great sense of community involved in Communion. At the Methodist church, families go up together. At the non-denominational Lord’s Supper, it’s a get-together and then Communion. At the youth group, it is definitely a community thing. With my experiences at the Orthodox and Episcopal churches, the sense of community is just not the same. (I have never received Communion at an Orthodox church, since I am not Orthodox. They do let those who are not Orthodox have some “blessed bread,” though.)
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mgrfin
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Well, that’s it, I guess. If the British say that the Catholic Church is on the right road, then all other non-Catholics better listen up.
Actually, this “the Body and Blood are never touched by anyone not in Orders” is a big dig at us that we now allow lay ministers to distribute Communion. They are “like” the Roman Catholic Church back in the 1950’s.
I think I’ve danced this dance once before. This flattery is not impressive.
Of course, we have this problem with Anglican Orders, which has been permanently resolved against the British, their ordination of female ministers, including to the Bishopric, outwarding lesbian ministers, and that little connundrum, “Outside the Church, there is no salvation”.
Not all British like us of course, or imitate us, which is encouraging.
They ought to stop playing this kids’ game of, “Now, I’m like you” (or “I’m better than you”) and join the Roman Catholic Church.
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GKC
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Those who try to ordain females are usually those who employ EEMS, in Anglicanism. The traditionalists who quite understand that you can’t do that (invalid matter) are the ones who know what it takes to touch the conecrated elements.Well, that’s it, I guess. If the British say that the Catholic Church is on the right road, then all other non-Catholics better listen up.
Actually, this “the Body and Blood are never touched by anyone not in Orders” is a big dig at us that we now allow lay ministers to distribute Communion. They are “like” the Roman Catholic Church back in the 1950’s.
I think I’ve danced this dance once before. This flattery is not impressive.
Of course, we have this problem with Anglican Orders, which has been permanently resolved against the British, their ordination of female ministers, including to the Bishopric, outwarding lesbian ministers, and that little connundrum, “Outside the Church, there is no salvation”.
Not all British like us of course, or imitate us, which is encouraging.
They ought to stop playing this kids’ game of, “Now, I’m like you” (or “I’m better than you”) and join the Roman Catholic Church.
Peace
BTW, who’s British?
Still leading with your left foot, I see.
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Mystic_Warrior
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Kitty,Ok there is a thread discussing stating if the Eucharist is only for Catholics.
I am curious about non catholic churches who is allowed to partake at them? I suppose it could be added bread, wine or juice. Perhaps the cermony itself which seems to me to be similar everywhere. The words are the same. Theres always speculation but never any solid statements on non catholic ways.
Im hoping it can end or at least start understanding. Of some of the myths that circulate around. Including the just a symbol, I know non catholics that do take it quite seriously and it can never be just to them.
and I wont kill this and start another thread, promise
In the Baptist churches I grew up in and in the ELCA Lutheran church I attend now all Christians may partake, regardless of denomination.
It’s called “Lord’s Supper” at the Baptist church and “Communion” at the Lutheran.
The Baptists believe it to be completely symbolic and the ELCA Lutherans according to their website here simply believe it is the body and blood of Christ, whether spiritual or actual.
Both faiths require that you be baptized.
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GKC
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As I told you, I have no way of telling whether you do, or not, in any given case. I’ll correct you, from time to time, anyway.
And you’re prone to mistepping.
How’s Advent going for you?
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Kitty_Chan
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That is beautiful, speaks from the heart. Nothing to disagee with.
Even some similar things that were said at my old Baptist church, I think my pastor there was special.
I will have to go to a orthodox church. I think my great grandma on my fathers side was ukariane is that orthodox?
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mgrfin
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GUADETE!
“Rejoice in the Lord always: again I say, rejoice. Let your moderation be known to all men: for the Lord is near. Have no anxiety, but in everything by prayer let your petitions be made known to God.
You have favored, O Lord, your land; you have restored the well-being to Jacob.”
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