Eucharist; Communion; Lord's Supper

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2nd_Adam said:
I think his view of the two sacraments (ordinance) is too low since he is quite Baptist in his view. Do you think Baptist tend to have too low of a view in regards to communion and baptism?
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I generally don’t think so. While I cannot tell what each individual Christian might think, I am of the opinion that the ordinances have a high value in Baptist churches.
We do know that they are not magical formulas to get someone into heaven and that is where some might say we take away from the meaning… We do not attach any greater spiritual effect to the ordinance itself. We do however value them greatly. Once we are saved we are getting baptized in obedience to the Lord’s command and as followers of Jesus Christ. We were Christians before that so that the baptism is an outward sign of an inward change. Still it is important to us. All the members of our church are baptized or simply too young.
Those who are members may also partake in the Lord’s Supper. The implications of partaking it while not worthy are grave and we know that. There is certainly a high value placed on this and the gravity is emphasizing it.
I just recently joined this church and I consider myself a Christian attending a Baptist church. I was baptized at a military chapel which is accepted by most denominations.
As I wasn’t raised in this church I cannot fully speak for one or the other denomination apart from the little knowledge I have.
I do know however that the ordinances are not depreciated.
My church partakes in the Lord’s Supper only every second month. That might seem rather strange or even horrible to some who partake more frequently, but it does not indicate a depreciation either. I am of the opinion that there is more than one way to have a regular participation, be it now every day, once a week or over a more stretched out period of time as in many Protestant denominations. May every Sunday be special or may we look forward to the first Sunday of every second month because it is so immensely special.
We are slaves of Jesus Christ. Where there is a direct command we obey and where there is no direct command we try to please Him. May we all do it in our own way and may we all be pleasing towards our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
ralphinal said:
Other than the fact that it says that they must in the Mass, I cannot find it right now, either. I will look some more when I can

Valid and invalid means that it does what it is supposed to. In this case, if the priest does not complete the sacrifice, there is no sacrifice there. Although Jesus may be present, the priest has not completed his role in the Mass.
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Okay Catholic siblings in Christ, you guys brought it up. Remember, I come from a non-denominational (Baptist influence) and Reformed background so be very patient with me please. What do you mean by sacrifice, not complete sacrifice, and no sacrifice in regards to the Eucharist? Please no links, but just a summary of what’s going on here in regards to the Catholic position.
 
2nd_Adam said:
I think his view of the two sacraments (ordinance) is too low since he is quite Baptistic in his view. Do you think Baptists tend to have too low of a view in regards to communion and baptism?
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As you know, Catholics take John 6 literally. We believe that Jesus is fully present in the host and the cup. When we partake of the Eucharist we are eating the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus.

Protestants view communion as a symbolic act. No other group views the Eucharist as Catholics do. Does that mean that they have a lwer view of it? I will let you make that determination.
 
Janet1983 said:
I generally don’t think so. While I cannot tell what each individual Christian might think, I am of the opinion that the ordinances have a high value in Baptist churches.
We do know that they are not magical formulas to get someone into heaven and that is where some might say we take away from the meaning… We do not attach any greater spiritual effect to the ordinance itself. We do however value them greatly. Once we are saved we are getting baptized in obedience to the Lord’s command and as followers of Jesus Christ. We were Christians before that so that the baptism is an outward sign of an inward change. Still it is important to us. All the members of our church are baptized or simply too young.
Those who are members may also partake in the Lord’s Supper. The implications of partaking it while not worthy are grave and we know that. There is certainly a high value placed on this and the gravity is emphasizing it.
I just recently joined this church and I consider myself a Christian attending a Baptist church. I was baptized at a military chapel which is accepted by most denominations.
As I wasn’t raised in this church I cannot fully speak for one or the other denomination apart from the little knowledge I have.
I do know however that the ordinances are not depreciated.
My church partakes in the Lord’s Supper only every second month. That might seem rather strange or even horrible to some who partake more frequently, but it does not indicate a depreciation either. I am of the opinion that there is more than one way to have a regular participation, be it now every day, once a week or over a more stretched out period of time as in many Protestant denominations. May every Sunday be special or may we look forward to the first Sunday of every second month because it is so immensely special.
We are slaves of Jesus Christ. Where there is a direct command we obey and where there is no direct command we try to please Him. May we all do it in our own way and may we all be pleasing towards our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
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I fully know that the sacraments or ordinances can be a potentially divisive issue among Christians. Lord willing, I will try hard not to make it one. There has to be room to allow for differences in this issue. I do struggle with my friend and teaching pastor at my church on this particular issue. He has grown very Reformed and quotes from historic and modern Reformed theologians and pastors all the time who have a distinctively different view than himself in regards to baptism and communion. Let’s start here: what’s the theoligical differences between the words of sacrament and ordinance? Do you believe that baptism and communion are means of infused grace in regards to sanctification? I believe justification is by imputation and forensic. However, I also believe the sacraments are means of infused grace in regards to santification.
 
2nd_Adam said:
Okay Catholic siblings in Christ, you guys brought it up. Remember, I come from a non-denominational (Baptist influence) and Reformed background so be very patient with me please. What do you mean by sacrifice, not complete sacrifice, and no sacrifice in regards to the Eucharist? Please no links, but just a summary of what’s going on here in regards to the Catholic position.
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Here is a very short article that may help you out:

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0109sbs.asp
 
The context of my comment was directed at protestant denominations. I did not mean to infer anything upon the Orthodox church.
 
izoid said:
As you know, Catholics take John 6 literally. We believe that Jesus is fully present in the host and the cup. When we partake of the Eucharist we are eating the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus.

Protestants view communion as a symbolic act. No other group views the Eucharist as Catholics do. Does that mean that they have a lwer view of it? I will let you make that determination.
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Well, now all Protestants view the sacraments as only being symbolic. Maybe a Lutheran Protestant will post on the subject. Reformed Christians have much more higher view than just being symbolic too. In addition, I thought Orthdox Christians have the same view as Catholics?
 
I am not all that familiar with EO. Do all EO priests have apostolic succesion and are able to consecrate the bread and wine?
 
2nd_Adam said:
Well, now all Protestants view the sacraments as only being symbolic. Maybe a Lutheran Protestant will post on the subject. Reformed Christians have much more higher view than just being symbolic too. In addition, I thought Orthdox Christians have the same view as Catholics?
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Does the reformed church teach the actual presense, transubstantiation?

I think that you would agree that the bread and wine are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood, would you not?
 
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The context of my comment was directed at protestant denominations. I did not mean to infer anything upon the Orthodox church.
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How about Anglican Churches?
 
izoid said:
Does the reformed church teach the actual presense, transubstantiation?

I think that you would agree that the bread and wine are symbolic of Jesus’ body and blood, would you not?
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The Reformed view is not like the Baptist view or the Catholic view or the Lutheran view.
 
2nd_Adam said:
How about Anglican Churches?
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Why are you trying to cause division Adam. You do this constantly. You start of with a post that leads people to believe that you just want “to know” and then you begin twisting and contorting the truth.

You are well aware that protestant denominations do not believe the same things regarding the Eucharist as the Catholic Church. We have discussed this in other threads of yours so stop trying to cause division.
 
2nd_Adam said:
I thnk the Orthodox view and belief is the same as the Catholic view.
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This has already been adressed in this thread. You conveniently left the prceeding sentance out where I posted protestant denominations.
 
izoid said:
I am not all that familiar with EO. Do all EO priests have apostolic succesion and are able to consecrate the bread and wine?
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Yes, the Catholic Church considers the Orthodox Church as having apostolic succession and valid sacraments.
 
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