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Fidelia
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That still doesn’t make generalizing about any gay person who happens into church permissible, as if by definition a gay person is inherently and immensely likely to have HIV or AIDS.
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catsrus
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I clicked on this thread because I was interested in what it might be about.
I’ve read all the posts.
I must say, that until today, and reading this thread, in the 5 years that I have been a Confirmed Catholic, I have NEVER even considered the topic.
When in prayer before the Precious Blood, my thought is only on the Precious Blood and my gratitude to Christ.
Not to say it’s an outlandish consideration, only that it never crossed my mind.
I will trust in God on this issue and stress over it - not at all.
I’ve read all the posts.
I must say, that until today, and reading this thread, in the 5 years that I have been a Confirmed Catholic, I have NEVER even considered the topic.
When in prayer before the Precious Blood, my thought is only on the Precious Blood and my gratitude to Christ.
Not to say it’s an outlandish consideration, only that it never crossed my mind.
I will trust in God on this issue and stress over it - not at all.
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jay29
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Just for the record, if they can’t cure HIV/AIDS they do not know everything about it. That goes for any disease. 
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Marilena
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the parish where i go to does not serve wine in a chalice for the laity. The body and the blood is in the Eucharist. of course, this is an sspx chapel iam talking about. not everyone goes to one.
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batteddy
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Right.
Sex, intravenous needle sharing, blood transfusions, and mother-to-baby are the only ways anyone has ever gotten it (except maybe the original eating of infected monkey meat…but notice, that is also the direct consumption of blood)
Oxygen kills it, and the alcohol in the wine surely would.
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Walking_Home
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Just for the record, if they can’t cure HIV/AIDS they do not know everything about it. That goes for any disease.
Good pt.
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introibo
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Deo gratias.
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Revelation13_16
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My lesbian friend is not even a Christian and she did recieve communion at Midnight Mass in Spain.
In fact, anyone can recieve communion in a Catholic Church, it’s not like the priest is going to question every individual and ask to see their confirmation proof?
Should you recieve it if you’re not a Catholic? No way.
Even if I wanted to recieve Holy Communion in a Catholic church, I wouldn’t because I’m not a Catholic, but this was the issue at the heart of my post.
Many people outside the Christian faith don’t see a problem in recieving it, they don’t see how big a deal it is, and in these big city churches (normally) this maybe is a problem.
Now regarding silver: Great to know, still not sure I trust it though. (does Silver kill HIV)
As for the whole “gay outrage/hiv” issue.
Do you know that in the gay community there are people called “gift givers” who knowingly infect others with the disease?
Even worse, there are people called “bug chasers” who actually want to contract it.
My God! If this isn’t the reprobate mind that St. Paul describes in Romans ch. 1 then please tell me what is!
Now I acknowledge that many “innocent” people get HIV.
A wife who trusts her husband can get it if the husband sleeps with a prostitute that has it and doesn’t use protection.
The point is this.
Although all good people if they had it would alter their lives so to be extra careful of not passing on the disease to others, there are many people who don’t care - they are reckless and negligent - or you could say just blase about it.
This was what I was trying to say about the Eucharist and big city churches that get many ‘visitors’, that’s all.
It’s about precautions and consideration for others, and unfortunately there are many people who don’t take precautions and aren’t considerate.
That’s all.
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Lance
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Godd post! :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
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opdsgt
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I’ll second that.
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Walking_Home
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I remember a program that dwelt with those issues. Gay men --getting together for the purpose of contracting HIV. If I remember right— these men–did not want to have to constantly worry about contracting HIV—so by catching the virus—they then-- would not have to spend time worring about it anymore.
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jamannor
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Comminicable fatal diseases… hmmm HIV is a STD. The spread of which is not by having someone touch you but by sharing blood. I used to work in the food industry and their are way more catchy diseases to be worried about then HIV infact I’ve never heard one person ever mention that as a risk. When I was growing up in the early 90’s I remember people scared much like you are now, mosquitos, toliet seats, and so forth… The medical community has told us for years there isn’t a risk of getting the disease by just interacting with these people. Don’t fret to much though, your response I guess is very human. Chauser wrote about it with a certain pimply chef.
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Lance
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Despite the SID designation, that is not the only way to transmit the disease. If you can get it from a needle you can get it from a knife. If an HIV positive person cut themselves and did not properly clean the knife, then used it to slice my food, I would not knowingly eat the food. Why take the chance no matter how small.
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fix
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There is a reasonable argument that it is theoretically possible to become infected with the virus through routes other than what is commonly held:
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Lance
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I’ll go along with much of what you say. How ever if there is urine from an HIV positive person on the toilet seat and you have a cut or open wound on your buttocks I belive there is a small chance you could get HIV. I doubt you would be willing to cut yourself with a knife an HIV positive person had just cut themseves with and not cleaned or eat a piece of raw fruit/vegetable they used the knife on if they had not washed it. If you can get it from a needle, you can get it from a knife. You can’t have it both ways.
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Dale_M
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Could it be that this thread is drifting off-topic? 
For the OP:
Others have mentioned this, but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle - if you are worried about germs and the chalice, do not drink from it. I think its that simple.
For the OP:
Others have mentioned this, but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle - if you are worried about germs and the chalice, do not drink from it. I think its that simple.
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Lance
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See my P.M. to you. You should not accuse people you don’t kow of being prejudice or having insane notions.
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historybrat
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Here’s my two cents,
To the OP:
4. I honestly can say that if someone who was preparing my food at accidently cut themselves it would not bother me unless I had exposed/open sores or cuts myself. Again research shows that it is passed through body fluids and must enter the blood stream through exposed/open cuts and sores. You can kiss someone and not get AIDS. It is even possible to have sex with someone and still not get AIDS from them. The chance of you getting it is fairy high due to other factors, but its possible.
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To the OP:
- If your worried about catching something from the chalice then simply don’t drink from it. The body and blood of Christ are completely present in both so just consuming one of them is sufficient.
- If I were you I would be more concerned about getting the common cold or the flu than HIV/AIDS.Although amazing with all the sick people I see who go up and drink from the chalice we’ve never had the
- I don’t understand what the big concern is. We have HIV/AIDS in my parish, people know about it and nobody worries about getting it from communion. I suppose people will argue that we are extremely naive, but its never been a problem, nobody is concerned. I guess we just put our faith in God and you know the medical research which shows I have a better chance at being hit by a car. (btw I still drive and go outside, there are risk in everything we do, sometimes you have to take a chance and interact with the world)
- Coming from a rural parish, I’m more concerned about contracting disease here than in an urban parish. I hate to break the news, but diseases do exist outside the urban population
. So do people with behaviors/lifestyles that you may disagree with. Their are just better at hiding it sometimes.
4. I honestly can say that if someone who was preparing my food at accidently cut themselves it would not bother me unless I had exposed/open sores or cuts myself. Again research shows that it is passed through body fluids and must enter the blood stream through exposed/open cuts and sores. You can kiss someone and not get AIDS. It is even possible to have sex with someone and still not get AIDS from them. The chance of you getting it is fairy high due to other factors, but its possible.
- If I ever saw urine on the toilet seat I don’t care whether or not I have cuts on my but or not, I’ll wipe away the urine
. I think most of us would, and while I suppose there like that one in a billion chance you could still get it, lets stick to talk about real possibilities and using real examples. If you don’t look at a toilet seat before you sit down, check. If theres urine wipe it off and start worrying about all the other places you could catch a disease instead of that drop of urine,
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Revelation13_16
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Are you sure?
As I understand it in the gospels and Corinthians 11, Jesus said the bread was his body, and the wine his blood.
You have to have both I think.
Love,
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