Eucharist in a side chapel + genuflection in the main chapel?

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Like many churches, ours has the Eucharist in a side smaller chapel.

Everyone in my family who can walk genuflects (yes, even the 2 year old and even the almost 2 year old who has started walking – if they walk, they genuflect, dad’s rules).

But…

An interesting point to be made is we genuflect yet Christ is in the side chapel. I used to think I did it in a matter of protest but I have since then found some documentation indicating that it is actually permitted to have a side chapel.

We will continue to genuflect because it is a way in my mind of showing respect to Christ. And it certainly helps the kids to be reminded that they are in church – my (almost 4) year old even kneels with us during consecration now.

What do you guys do in these situations and why?
 
Like many churches, ours has the Eucharist in a side smaller chapel.

Everyone in my family who can walk genuflects (yes, even the 2 year old and even the almost 2 year old who has started walking – if they walk, they genuflect, dad’s rules).

But…

An interesting point to be made is we genuflect yet Christ is in the side chapel. I used to think I did it in a matter of protest but I have since then found some documentation indicating that it is actually permitted to have a side chapel.

We will continue to genuflect because it is a way in my mind of showing respect to Christ. And it certainly helps the kids to be reminded that they are in church – my (almost 4) year old even kneels with us during consecration now.

What do you guys do in these situations and why?
I have been to Churches where the priests chair has been moved behind the altar, directly facing the people, and the Eucharist is in a tabernacle off to the side.

I used to go in and genuflect out of habit, but spiritually and morally, I have come to find this… more than just problematic.

Consider: Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist, He is our Eucharistic Lord, and we are genuflecting…

To the priests chair…

Abominable…

And this may be why so few priests are interested in what traditional Catholic praxis (not to mention the current Holy Father) has to say about orientation.

Scary stuff that. I really don’t think most Catholics think about it. Lex orandi, lex credendi.

I have stopped going to Churches that do not, at the very least, have the tabernacle in the center. If I am traveling and go to Church and see some strange protestant layout with the priests throne behind the altar and our Blessed Lord relegated to the side, I silently and respectfully walk out as if I forgot something and find a different Church.

Once one truly understands and believes in transubstantiation and the Holy Eucharist, and also has been exposed to traditional Catholic praxis, how could one do differently?
 
Genuflect at the door of the side chapel (or go there and genuflect on the way in). Bow to the altar before entering the pew.
 
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I have stopped going to Churches that do not, at the very least, have the tabernacle in the center. If I am traveling and go to Church and see some strange protestant layout with the priests throne behind the altar and our Blessed Lord relegated to the side, I silently and respectfully walk out as if I forgot something and find a different Church.

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If you ever go to Rome will you also walk out of St. Peters, St Paul Outside the Walls, St. Maria Maggoria, St. John Lateran and many other major churches where the tabernacles are in other chapels, often no where near the sanctuary?
 
If you ever go to Rome will you also walk out of St. Peters, St Paul Outside the Walls, St. Maria Maggoria, St. John Lateran and many other major churches where the tabernacles are in other chapels, often no where near the sanctuary?
Yes, many cathedrals have the Eucharist to the side.

I still genuflect and require it, but its at least in part in protest to the Eucharist being shoved to a side chapel. But then, everyone has ideas about that.

I see fewer and fewer people who genuflect though and it is a shame.
 
I have been to Churches where the priests chair has been moved behind the altar, directly facing the people, and the Eucharist is in a tabernacle off to the side.

I used to go in and genuflect out of habit, but spiritually and morally, I have come to find this… more than just problematic.

Consider: Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist, He is our Eucharistic Lord, and we are genuflecting…

To the priests chair…

Abominable…

And this may be why so few priests are interested in what traditional Catholic praxis (not to mention the current Holy Father) has to say about orientation.

Scary stuff that. I really don’t think most Catholics think about it. Lex orandi, lex credendi.

I have stopped going to Churches that do not, at the very least, have the tabernacle in the center. If I am traveling and go to Church and see some strange protestant layout with the priests throne behind the altar and our Blessed Lord relegated to the side, I silently and respectfully walk out as if I forgot something and find a different Church.

Once one truly understands and believes in transubstantiation and the Holy Eucharist, and also has been exposed to traditional Catholic praxis, how could one do differently?
I cant remember the last time I saw a church that didnt have the eucharist to the side. 😦 sad. We need some young priests in charge in a few years to change things. =)
 
If you ever go to Rome will you also walk out of St. Peters, St Paul Outside the Walls, St. Maria Maggoria, St. John Lateran and many other major churches where the tabernacles are in other chapels, often no where near the sanctuary?
Apples and oranges Joann, apples and oranges… for many, many different reasons.

Peace!
 
I cant remember the last time I saw a church that didnt have the eucharist to the side. 😦 sad. We need some young priests in charge in a few years to change things. =)
Great post!

It is self evident that all our prayer needs to be oriented towards Christ, and He is truly present in the Eucharist.

This is taking care of itself… That is why so many people react with venom when we who love tradition speak of it.

Sad. 😦
 
If you ever go to Rome will you also walk out of St. Peters, St Paul Outside the Walls, St. Maria Maggoria, St. John Lateran and many other major churches where the tabernacles are in other chapels, often no where near the sanctuary?
St. Paul’s Outside the Walls Tabernacle…

Not front and center? Not the focus?

Please



This tabernacle is above the High Altar…

Even still…

Apples and oranges…

Of course, if I ever walked into a Church with a Tabernacle “derived from a design by Arnolfo di Cambio and decorated with paintings by Barna da Siena” directly above the High Altar, no, I don’t think I would leave 😉

Or we can get the coffee urn looking thing off to the side… I guess that’s more preferable? 😃

I don’t know sometimes if I am in a Church or a Dunkin Donuts! :p:p
 
At least if the tabernacle is to the side you can see it and the sanctuary lamp that helps you know in what direction to genuflect. If there is no tabernacle behind the altar I don’t genuflect towards it. If it is is in a side chapel I genuflect in that direction. There is one church in my area that I have gone to on occasion that I have never been able to figure out where the tabernacle is. There is no sanctuary lamp that I can see. the church is in the round and the altar is in the middle. In this case like someone has already said I just bow.
 
St. Paul’s Outside the Walls Tabernacle…

Not front and center? Not the focus?

Please

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arnolfo_di_Cambio_-_Tabernacle_of_StJohnLateran.jpg

This tabernacle is above the High Altar…

Even still…

Apples and oranges…

Of course, if I ever walked into a Church with a Tabernacle “derived from a design by Arnolfo di Cambio and decorated with paintings by Barna da Siena” directly above the High Altar, no, I don’t think I would leave 😉

Or we can get the coffee urn looking thing off to the side… I guess that’s more preferable? 😃

I don’t know sometimes if I am in a Church or a Dunkin Donuts! :p:p
No, the tabernacle with the Blessed Sacrament is not above the main altar. It is in a separate chapel. The word “tabernacle” is also sometimes used to designate the canopy above the high altar. The Sacrament is not reserved there.
 
Like many churches, ours has the Eucharist in a side smaller chapel.

Everyone in my family who can walk genuflects (yes, even the 2 year old and even the almost 2 year old who has started walking – if they walk, they genuflect, dad’s rules).

But…

An interesting point to be made is we genuflect yet Christ is in the side chapel. I used to think I did it in a matter of protest but I have since then found some documentation indicating that it is actually permitted to have a side chapel.

We will continue to genuflect because it is a way in my mind of showing respect to Christ. And it certainly helps the kids to be reminded that they are in church – my (almost 4) year old even kneels with us during consecration now.

What do you guys do in these situations and why?
I’m confused…you’re genuflecting facing the tabernacle, or genuflecting towards the front in protest that the tabernacle is not placed in the center of the apse?
 
I’m confused…you’re genuflecting facing the tabernacle, or genuflecting towards the front in protest that the tabernacle is not placed in the center of the apse?
Does anyone else have a problem with using this as a form of protest?
 
Does anyone else have a problem with using this [genuflection while facing an empty altar area] as a form of protest?
Thats why I posted this. I have always genuflected, but the act of genuflection is not necessarily directed towards the real presence. It can also be a way of preparing the mind and body for mass. Part of it is in my mind a protest against keeping the blessed sacrament sequestered away, however I have read some documentation from the Vatican that OKs the practice. I will see if I can dig it up.
 
We had this problem in our parish until the pastor knocked part of the wall out, put a window in, and we can now see the Tabernacle.

We used to genuflect when it was the other way. Even though you couldn’t see Our Lord, He was there and could see you. And now, I have watched the deacon many times completely ignore Our Lord, walk past the Tabernacle without even so much as a glance, and bow to the table!!!

Talk about disorientation…
 
Christ is the center of the Church, and the Eucharist is these last days with all these modern heretical theologians is been given less and less importance and is just shuvved off to the side.

it is what Daniel speaks of in his prophecy on the last days the abolisment of the perpetual sacrifice.

May God show mercy on those who disrespect our Lords perpetual sacrifice.

God bless
Stephen
 
No, the tabernacle with the Blessed Sacrament is not above the main altar. It is in a separate chapel. The word “tabernacle” is also sometimes used to designate the canopy above the high altar. The Sacrament is not reserved there.
Thank you for this correction. I appreciate it. You are quite correct!

Peace!
 
Thats why I posted this. I have always genuflected, but the act of genuflection is not necessarily directed towards the real presence. It can also be a way of preparing the mind and body for mass. Part of it is in my mind a protest against keeping the blessed sacrament sequestered away, however I have read some documentation from the Vatican that OKs the practice. I will see if I can dig it up.
It;s fine to do it privately, however, genuflecting publicly in such a manner is extremely confusing and also (sorry, couldn’t figure out how to say this more politely) makes no sense as a form of protest. The genuflection in the church is meant to acknowledge the presence of Christ - it indicates to others that you don’t know what you’re genuflecting to. It is also disrespectful if you DO know where the tabernacle is.
 
Does anyone else have a problem with using this as a form of protest?
Yes… If Jesus is in the tabernacle (and He is) it is therefore inappropriate to genuflect in another direction. I would think it would only be important t to genuflect towards the tabernacle…

It should be front and center. Protesting in this way is problematic. Thank you for catching that.

Your post about St. Paul of the Walls really got me thinking, and I did some reading and research (although I point out that it wasn’t very charitably shared… took me a day to actually take you seriously after the initial tone etc.)

I still think that in every parish Church (as opposed to large Cathedrals/Basilicas etc.) the Tabernacle NEEDS to be the center, and it is disrespectful to do it any other way.

That said, it is up to the local ordinary.

Here are the two pieces I read that I thought addressed the topic most lucidly.

ewtn.net/expert/answers/tabernacle_placement.htm

adoremus.org/98-01_elliott.htm

adoremus.org/7-899Tabernacle.html

Here is the difference in the situation in a place like a Cathedral or Basilica:

One relevant section from these articles:

"Separate Chapels for Cathedrals
Father Gilbert Ostdiek, OFM, in his presentation to parish building committees called “Tabernacle Placement & Design: A Commentary”, says that the 1984 Caeremoniale Episcoporum (CE- Ceremonial for Bishops) “recommends a reservation chapel separate from the main body of the church” (Ostdiek, 5.1).

Father Ostdiek cites §49 of the Caeremoniale to support his view; but he neglects to mention that the document specifically concerns cathedrals, not ordinary churches. Even within cathedrals, the quoted paragraph “recommends” but does not mandate this placement of the reserved Sacrament.

The footnote to this paragraph from CE (n. 49) refers to the 1967 Instruction of Pope Paul VI, De Sacra Communione… (Holy Communion and Worship outside of Mass) n. 9. The relevant sentence is,

This [personal worship] will be achieved more easily if the chapel is separate from the body of the church, especially in churches where marriages and funerals are celebrated frequently and in churches where there are many visitors because of pilgrimages or the artistic and historical treasures.

This passage makes it clear that a separate chapel is recommended especially for large, busy churches, such as cathedrals and those which may be tourist attractions. (Saint Peters in Rome has a separate chapel of reservation in which perpetual adoration of the Blessed Sacrament takes place, and where one always finds visitors kneeling in prayer.)

The reasoning here is obvious: in such churches adoration of the Blessed Sacrament could be disrupted by people continually walking about. There is no indication whatever, here or in any other authoritative Church document, that every church, including ordinary parish churches, must or even should have a separate chapel for reservation of the Eucharist." (Hitchcock).

I think your comment regarding my post about respectfully leaving without saying anything was a little combative and less than charitable.

I am sorry if I am misinterpreting you.

But having visited this forum for some time now I am aghast at the general lack of charity (not you per se… just about everyone… it seems a part of the culture so to speak).

When I said I would respectfully and quietly leave as if I forgot something that is exactly what I meant. I wouldn’t make a scene or anything.

Furthermore, as a supporter of Summorum Pontificum and Catholic tradition, the liturgical deformations seem almost custom designed to prevent any sort of traditional Catholic liturgical praxis in the same space… and this is concerning to me.

Peace!
 
I am a net vet, so my net skin is thick. Having your kids say they hate you when they are mad because you won’t give them candy helps too. =)

I have taken no offense to anything anyone has said. Instead, well, I have taken some of their “polite” comments to heart and thought about them. I think that was the intent.

I am going to have a chat with the wife and we will probably start getting the kids to face the tabernacle when they genuflect.

And our church falls out of the category of cathedral and what not. So although we SHOULD have the tabernacle behind the altar, we don’t.

=)
 
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