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iS IT WRONG TO CLAP IN THE PRESENCE OF THE EUCHARIST FOR HUMAN ACHIEVEMENTS? a TRADITIONALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS IT IS HERESY, THIS IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE i NEED TO KNOW WHAT I AM OBLIGATED TOWARDS INVOLVING A SITUATION, ALSO, CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS… (ALSO DOING OWN RESEARCH)(CAPS LOCK DIDN’T GO ON ON PURPOSE)
"Canon 52

Marriages and birthday feasts are not to be celebrated in Lent.

Hefele.

By birthday feasts in this canon the natalitia martyrum is not to be understood as in the preceding canon, but the birthday feasts of princes. This, as well as the preceding rule, was renewed in the sixth century by Bishop Martin of Bracara, now Braga, in Portugal.
Canon 53

Christians, when they attend weddings, must not join in wanton dances, but modestly dine or breakfast, as is becoming to Christians.
Canon 54

Members of the priesthood and of the clergy must not witness the plays at weddings or banquets; but, before the players enter, they must rise and depart.

Aristenus.

Christians are admonished to feast modestly when they go to weddings and not to dance nor βαλλίζειν, that is to clap their hands and make a noise with them. For this is unworthy of the Christian standing. But consecrated persons must not see the play at weddings, but before the thymelici begin, they must go out.
Canon 55

Neither members of the priesthood nor of the clergy, nor yet laymen, may club together for drinking entertainments.

These meals, the expenses of which were defrayed by a number clubbing together and sharing the cost, were called symbola by Isidore, and by Melinus and Crabbe comissalia, although the more ordinary form is commensalia or comessalia. Cf. Ducange Gloss., s.v. Commensalia and Confertum.
" newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm

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Marc_Aupiais said:
iS IT WRONG TO CLAP IN THE PRESENCE OF THE EUCHARIST FOR HUMAN ACHIEVEMENTS? a TRADITIONALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS IT IS HERESY, THIS IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE i NEED TO KNOW WHAT I AM OBLIGATED TOWARDS INVOLVING A SITUATION, ALSO, CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS… (ALSO DOING OWN RESEARCH)(CAPS LOCK DIDN’T GO ON ON PURPOSE)
"Canon 52

Marriages and birthday feasts are not to be celebrated in Lent.

Hefele.

By birthday feasts in this canon the natalitia martyrum is not to be understood as in the preceding canon, but the birthday feasts of princes. This, as well as the preceding rule, was renewed in the sixth century by Bishop Martin of Bracara, now Braga, in Portugal.
Canon 53

Christians, when they attend weddings, must not join in wanton dances, but modestly dine or breakfast, as is becoming to Christians.
Canon 54

Members of the priesthood and of the clergy must not witness the plays at weddings or banquets; but, before the players enter, they must rise and depart.

Aristenus.

Christians are admonished to feast modestly when they go to weddings and not to dance nor βαλλίζειν, that is to clap their hands and make a noise with them. For this is unworthy of the Christian standing. But consecrated persons must not see the play at weddings, but before the thymelici begin, they must go out.
Canon 55

Neither members of the priesthood nor of the clergy, nor yet laymen, may club together for drinking entertainments.

These meals, the expenses of which were defrayed by a number clubbing together and sharing the cost, were called symbola by Isidore, and by Melinus and Crabbe comissalia, although the more ordinary form is commensalia or comessalia. Cf. Ducange Gloss., s.v. Commensalia and Confertum.
" newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm

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The canons you are quoting are from the old Code. The new one does not state such restrictions.
 
Clapping at Mass is inappropriate, but not a “heresy.”
 
I can’t say for sure, but I attend a very orthodox parish, led by a very orthodox pator, and we sometimes have occasion to applaud some person or group shortly before the final blessing.
 
Apparently Benedict said that it is wrong, he gave me the resource, and it seems authentic… Not heresy persey, but wrong, anyhoe Baie Dankie, Thank you, Pax Christi, Marc
 
IMHO, I find clapping at any time while in the presence of the Eucharist (i.e. in the tabernacle) to be terribly wrong. When it occurs during Mass (and to me Mass doesn’t end until the priest exits) I feel it reduces the sacredness of the Mass into a mere public meeting. At every church I’ve been to except one (oh how I miss that one!) this occurs at different times for different reasons, none of which I feel is warranted. At the parish we recently left folks would applaud after the homily, but then that particular priest promoted such responses by how he conducted homily (like Jay Leno). Folks also would call out answers to questions the priest posed during his homily in a rhetorical way. Utterly heartbreaking.

Along those lines I find in most churches that even when the priest exits people then hang around in the pews to chit chat with much noise and laughter. Makes it hard for us to pray to St. Michael which we do after Mass. It’s also equally disturbing as it’s in the presence of the Eucharist.

The one parish I mentioned that I miss was not like this. People talked outside before and after Mass. Everyone entered the church proper in a quiet, prayerful fashion. Never any clapping. Parents with little ones always used the cry room. Nobody ever left before the priest unless it was an emergency. And when Mass was over everyone filed out quietly so those wanting to remain to pray were not disturbed. Oh, and the homilies! Fantastic! Uplifting and edifying!!! Unfortunately, we moved far, far away for family reasons. Sigh…
 
Marc_Aupiais said:
iS IT WRONG TO CLAP IN THE PRESENCE OF THE EUCHARIST FOR HUMAN ACHIEVEMENTS? a TRADITIONALIST FRIEND OF MINE SAYS IT IS HERESY, THIS IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE i NEED TO KNOW WHAT I AM OBLIGATED TOWARDS INVOLVING A SITUATION, ALSO, CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS… (ALSO DOING OWN RESEARCH)(CAPS LOCK DIDN’T GO ON ON PURPOSE)
"Canon 52

Marriages and birthday feasts are not to be celebrated in Lent.

Hefele.

By birthday feasts in this canon the natalitia martyrum is not to be understood as in the preceding canon, but the birthday feasts of princes. This, as well as the preceding rule, was renewed in the sixth century by Bishop Martin of Bracara, now Braga, in Portugal.
Canon 53

Christians, when they attend weddings, must not join in wanton dances, but modestly dine or breakfast, as is becoming to Christians.
Canon 54

Members of the priesthood and of the clergy must not witness the plays at weddings or banquets; but, before the players enter, they must rise and depart.

Aristenus.

Christians are admonished to feast modestly when they go to weddings and not to dance nor βαλλίζειν, that is to clap their hands and make a noise with them. For this is unworthy of the Christian standing. But consecrated persons must not see the play at weddings, but before the thymelici begin, they must go out.
Canon 55

Neither members of the priesthood nor of the clergy, nor yet laymen, may club together for drinking entertainments.

These meals, the expenses of which were defrayed by a number clubbing together and sharing the cost, were called symbola by Isidore, and by Melinus and Crabbe comissalia, although the more ordinary form is commensalia or comessalia. Cf. Ducange Gloss., s.v. Commensalia and Confertum.
" newadvent.org/fathers/3806.htm

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**Please check the current Code of Canon Law on the Vatican’s own website:

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM**
 
Clapping in mass is very poor form. I often leave after the priest processes out but before the final hymn ends because our parish has an annoying habit of applauding the choir. The problem is that folks see mass as an ending point instead of a launching point.

Receiving Christ is such an intimate experience that applause seems so danged tacky. I liken it to a husband not cuddling his wife after making love, but instead hopping up right out of bed and going to the front room to watch ESPN. There’s no appreciation of the moment. No bonding. Just a sense of “I got what I needed…see ya.”
 
🙂 laughing… it is important though- I was so shocked, I have changed from hands communion to mouth communion at church

My own parish has much more reverence , was quite shocked…

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Clapping in mass is very poor form. I often leave after the priest processes out but before the final hymn ends because our parish has an annoying habit of applauding the choir. The problem is that folks see mass as an ending point instead of a launching point.

Receiving Christ is such an intimate experience that applause seems so danged tacky. I liken it to a husband not cuddling his wife after making love, but instead hopping up right out of bed and going to the front room to watch ESPN. There’s no appreciation of the moment. No bonding. Just a sense of “I got what I needed…see ya.”
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Here’s one for you - in our parish, graduation (8th grade) takes place in the church building with a Mass. However, when they call the students up to receive their diploma, you still have parents who insist on clapping, whooping it up, and yelling out loud when their child receives the diploma. I find this discourteous, dreadfully irreverent, and uncalled for, especially since the Blessed Sacrament is still in front of the Church behind the altar. This was brought up to the pastor, but he contends that people are requested not to do this at the beginning of the ceremony, but if they do, they are the ones who have to live with their own behavior, which I find to be a copout. There is so much disrespect in Church nowadays that I just bow my head in shame.
 
At the church I attended, it was the priest, fun calpping, and encouraging clapping, and un clapping, and singing happy birthday to a parishioner… I am taking this up soon, so that he may at least be asked to stop, it is to fulfill any obligation, which is why I asked.

Is it not putting someone in a position to sin when holding such in a church, as you explained?
 
Yes, we have those who encourage clapping at my parish during Mass. They clap for the choir, the altar servers, the ushers, the fundraisers, and whatever.

Now…Mass is not a performance, period. The choir is a ministry, not a performance. The altar servers are acolytes, not actors and the ushers are to seat those for the Eucharistic Liturgy not those in a theater. We have 167 hours to clap to our heart’s content. But the one hour that we participate in the heavenly liturgy is not the time for special recognition. The only One at the seat of honor is our Father and His Son who is seated at His right hand. If we are not applauding Them then keep your hands to your side.

I’m an old f**t but I still expect the reverence that I grew up with. Mass is a celebration of Christ’s passion, death, resurrection, and ascension. Mass is a public prayer. It IS NOT a private celebration for our private prayer and recognitions.

AM I A PRUDE?? Perhaps, but Christianity did not last 2000 years because we maintained a free-for-all throughout the centuries. Okay, I’m done. Pray that I don’t fall while stepping off of my soapbox but sometimes it’s a good place to stand…teachccd 🙂
 
Well, I agree, and so does Bendict, which is why I emailed my diocese to forward an email, so if it’s nothing, they’ll tell me, in any case- it is God himself, we must see HIM as the true focus… God bless, try get a bigger soap box, we can use all the respect we can get 🙂

😉 :o 😦 :rolleyes: 👍 😊 :cool:

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“What you witnessed at * is may be loosely described as a bit of “inculturation” on the part of the Pastor. Clapping/applauding in church during Mass is now becoming quite acceptable as long as it is not overdone. I would say that it was overdone at * that Sunday.”** It is only part of the reply. They consider it minor, but I have requested that they forward it to the diocese respective in the situation,
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I think applause during is often mass is overdone, since,after all, the mass is a form of worship, and it is meant to celebrate God and not man. Whether it is a mistake to applaud at all though I don’t know.
The synod cited was not a ecumenical council of the Church, and so its canons are not the law of the Church, nor have they ever been, except perhaps for those of that region in ancient times. Not that its words are not worth considering.
 
My only question regarding this- When would clapping be appropiate? I know at least in all the ordinations I’ve attended that after the men are presented for orders, the congregation “signifies their approval by applause.”

Certainly, isn’t there a difference between that and applauding a pastor because of an excellent homily (which I have not seen since 1995)?
 
I don’t think it is a heresy, but I believe that it is inappropriate. What we need to realize as Catholics is that the mass is about God and not us. No one IMO should be applauded at mass because of this very point.
 
July 22nd, 2008 by Mary Anne Moresco · Whenever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of the liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. *
The above words were penned by our Holy Father Pope Benedict the XVI, (then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger) on p. 198 of his book entitled The Spirit of the Liturgy. I first read this book before our Holy Father became pope. The book did three things to me. First, it made me acutely aware that there was much about the meaning of the liturgy to which I was blind. Second, it deepened my love for the liturgy. Third, it put me in conflict with respect to how I needed to approach Mass. One area of conflict was in clapping at Mass.
Having read Cardinal Ratzinger’s words on clapping, I wondered how I could continue to clap at Mass in good conscience. As one who has been to Masses where there was clapping for just about everyone, from musicians, lectors, altar servers and church decorators to priests giving homilies and lay people giving testimonies, I began to wonder why we clap at Mass at all.
Some liturgical clapping proponents claim we clap because Psalm 47:1 tells us to clap: “All you peoples, clap your hands….“ But we Catholics do not interpret scripture independently. We look to Holy Mother Church, and her 2,000 years of teaching, to ensure our interpretation is authentic. The documents on the liturgy (the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, Liturgiam Authenticum, and Redemptionis Sacrmentum) do not call for clapping at the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. They call for reverence.
Rome wants irreverence at Mass to a stop. “…let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence…” (Redemptionis Sacramentum 183). The key question is this: is clapping a reverent action, or does clapping break the liturgical spirit of reverence which Rome is calling us to protect?
Cardinal Francis Arinze is prefect for the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments in Rome. When His Eminence speaks about the liturgy, our ears should perk up and listen. He stated that“…when we come to Mass we don’t come to clap. We don’t come to watch people, to admire people. We want to adore God, to thank Him, to ask Him pardon for our sins, and to ask Him for what we need.” * Adoremus Bulletin; Vol. IX, no.7, Oct. 2003]
I am a Roman Catholic. I don’t make up the rules for my faith or the Catholic Mass as I go along. I receive them from God, through His church, as a gift. I have faith in God, His church and its teachings. I believe God reveals His truths through those teachings. For that reason I want to honor them.
To honor those teachings, and thus honor God, I had resolved at Mass to hold the applause when I was there. Yet, I must confess that sometimes when everyone around me is clapping, or when someone stands up at Mass and asks me to applaud for someone else, I still succumb to clapping — albeit half-heartedly.
In the midst of the applause, our Holy Father’s words spin sadly around in my head, thus causing me grief and making for conflicted claps. The hands that clap at Mass these days are distracted and bewildered hands that would find a sublime joy if only they might be permitted to simply fold themselves in prayer to our God on that one special hour of the week devoted to Him. This is an ongoing struggle in my life that revisits itself often on Sunday. But please don’t clap for me. Instead, I ask “you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God.”
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