Eucharist, True Presence

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franny33 said:
I believe in miracles. And you all should too. I cant wait to go and celebrate the next Mass. Of course I am trying to live the good faith all week long. I would try 2 Masses a week. Thats not important. Its what you do with each Mass that counts ! On my way to Church, I’m already thinking about the Lord, and how I will recieve Him into my heart & soul when I take The Host. During the Mass, it is like a rush of anticipation until the Offitory and Concecration. The Preist concecrates the Bread and Wine. I begin to tremble when the Chalice is raised, then the Host. A few tears fall down my face without me knowing. I’m so excited to meet with Jesus. I can’t wait! If you sit in the front of Church, you will recieve The Eucharist first, and will have more time to talk with Jesus, while others are recieving. After I have recieved the Body and Blood of Jesus, I then put my head down as long as possible. I cant mention my secrets prayers, but I always say dont go. Its never enough time after Communion to praise Jesus. In my opinion, The Real Presence, is the Real Jesus in Your Heart, in Your Soul, in Your Thoughts. JESUS IS TRUELY IN THE EUCHARIST IF YOU BELIEVE!
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Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist whether you believe it or not.
 
mercygate said:
THANK YOU, Strider! I have been struggling with how to respond when Protestants quote “It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail . . .” and never noticed the change from **my **flesh to the flesh!

That says it all!
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Yep. And if you simply ask if they are claiming that Christ’s flesh was of no avail, watch how quickly they change the subject. 🙂
 
Atemi said:
Your friend gave a wonderful explanation.

He is right on.
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Completely untrue. Here is am extensive case for what the New Testament actually teaches on the Eucharistic Real Presence. Your friend has twisted the Word of God to suit his modern post reformation interpretation while ignoring or discounting the full context of the New Testament.
The Eucharist IS Scriptural
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
 
Church Militant, thank you, and may the Christ Child be with you.

No-one has yet mentioned TRANSUBSTANTIATION. This is the word used for the Great Miracle of God’s Love to His Son. After Jesus offered Himself in an unbloody way as a sacrifice to His Heavenly Father on Holy Thursday, He shared with His Apostles this Gift of Himself in the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist.
While at the Last Supper and First Mass, Jesus took bread and wine and by His power as God, He prayed a prayer of consecration over it, changing it into His own Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity.
Jesus Real Presence in the Eucharist is difficult to understand. It is a mystery and the greatest of all the seven Sacraments. I’m finding it difficult to explain further, because I"m just a regular girl. Except that I have a love for the Holy Eucharist, more than words can describe.
Sincerely, Franny
You can find great info: THE REAL PRESENCE ASSOCIATION
www.therealpresence.org
 
jimmy said:
Veronica, I have never heard that. It is very interesting.
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Actually Bethlehem means “House of Bread.” Not bread.

Here is more detail meaning of the word:

Bethlehem (Tiberian Hebrew: Bêṯ léḥem / Bêṯ lāḥem; Arabic: بيت لحم, Bayt Laḥm (help·info), lit “House of Meat”; Greek: Βηθλεέμ; Hebrew: בית לחם‎, Beit Lehem, lit “House of Bread”).

This reminds me what Jesus said in the beginning of his Bread Discourse in the John’s Gospel.

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert, as it is written: He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you; Moses gave you not bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is that which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life to the world. 34 They said therefore unto him: Lord, give us always this bread. 35 And Jesus said to them: I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger: and he that believeth in me shall never thirst. (John 6:31-35)
 
Here is a bit of an article that talks about how the Eucharist must be Jesus.

The fullness of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ must address these two passages: “For where two or three meet in my name, I am there among them” (Mat. 18:20), and “Lo, I am with you always, yes, to the end of time” (Matt. 28:20). Was Jesus misleading us in these passages? Of course not!

So, then, how is Jesus present to His Church? If you answer that He is present in Spirit, then are you not confounding the Second Person of the Trinity with the Third? Are you not blurring the distinction between the Son and the Spirit?

Jesus Christ is not a spirit, but is rather quite corporeal and real! Did He not invite the doubting disciples to touch and feel His risen body for themselves, and hence believe that He is not a mere spirit (Luke 24:37-39)? Did He not bodily ascend into heaven and take up His seat at the right hand of the Father?
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*Job 34:14 If He should take back His spirit to Himself, and gather to Himself his breath, all FLESH would perish together, and man would return to dust.

Leviticus17:14 "For the life of every creature is the
BLOOD of it;*

I find the above Old Testament verses very interesting to ponder in connection with John 6.

*unless you eat the FLESH of the Son of man
and drink his BLOOD, you have no life in you; (vs 53)

It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. (vs 63)*​

We don’t eat Our Lord’s flesh and blood for the inanimate matter, but to receive His spirit and life. For a brief 3 days His body was dead. But with His resurrection, His spirit and life were united permanently and forever with His body and blood - never again to be separated. If we want the spirit and life of the risen incarnate Jesus (the Son of man) to be in us, then we must eat His flesh and blood. All His words in the Bread of Life passage tell us that - they are the words that tell us how to receive His spirit and life right within our very being.

Nita
 
gmk said:
His basic point is that Christ words were Spiritual, not literal and that the bread is, of course, representative of His Body, but not actually it.
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Hi

I am an Ahmadi a peaceful Muslim.

I agree with your Calvinist friend that Christ words were Spiritual, not literal and that the bread is, of course, representative of His Body, but not actually it. Jesus used to talk in parables so it would be like that. Otherwis it looks like superstition and does not appeal to reason. This would be within the Christian thought.

I respect your religion.

Thanks
 
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