Eucharist- why people in sin or divorced people can't have it

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I don’t understand why people who have committed a mortal sin or why people who are divorced cannot receive Eucharist. What is the moral theology behind this??? Wouldn’t Jesus want us to receive Him to help us with our sins??? Isn’t that when we need Jesus most??? I don’t understand.

Thank you for clarifying this.

Deborah
 
Well, firstly remember that it’s people in MORTAL (serious) sin only, and only those who divorce AND remarry without annulment of the first marriage, that can’t receive communion.

Secondly - of COURSE we need Jesus when we are in sin, and we need His help with our sins. And we get that - through the sacrament of Confession. THAT is the way we get His help when we are in sin. Each of the sacraments has their purpose, not all have the same purpose. Someone who wants to become a priest goes to the sacrament of Holy Orders to do so, not the sacrament of marriage or confirmation or something.

Now let’s look at the definition of mortal sin - as per 1 John 5:16 it is the ‘sin unto death’ (that’s what mortal literally means). Obviously that means that these sins kill the soul. Kill stone dead the person’s communion with God.

Now if we draw an analogy between a dead soul and a dead body - the Eucharist is food, right? In both a physical and spiritual sense. You don’t give food to someone who is dead, do you? Because food doesn’t help a dead person, only a living one. So it serves no useful purpose to give a soul that is in mortal sin the Eucharist.

Quite the contrary in fact. If we think of what communion actually is and does - we become absorbed into Christ and united with Him - it’s actually a foretaste, in a lesser sense, of Heaven where righteous souls have the beatific vision and become united with God, seeing Him face to face.

You know that a soul in mortal sin can’t get into heaven - nothing that is imperfect can come into that sort of total communion with God. So no souls that are not at least in a state of grace and free of mortal sin can come into the lesser union with Him that is Holy Communion.

Finally, remember the words of Paul saying (it’s in 1 Corinthians 11, can’t be bothered quoting it verbatim) that those who eat and drink unworthily eat and drink their own condemnation. He points out that such is the power of the Eucharist that people who receive unworthily get physically ill and die. Funny how over the past few decades we’ve become, as a society, so much more physically unhealthy in step with our fading spiritual health, I wonder if it’s really koinkydink …

An analogy here might be someone who has diabetes - a condition that means they can’t properly process sugary foods if they eat them. So sugar, which is fine in moderation for a healthy person, becomes not just harmful but potentially deadly for them because they lack the capacity to properly absorb it.

So a soul that is in mortal sin not only lacks the capacity to obtain the spiritual benefits of doing so, but is actually harmed by its spiritual power.

Hope this helps.
 
Hi Deborah,

As for divorced people not receiving the eucharist, i am even more out of my depth there, but regarding sin and receiving the eucharist here is my 2c worth :

I’m reading the early church writings at the moment
earlychristianwritings.com/
and they seem to be consistant with Lily’s quote from Paul in thinking that we need to be what we call today ‘in a state of grace’ before taking part in the Lords Supper.

I understand your thinking and it does have support if you quote such things as Jesus saying - he ‘has come to call sinners and tax collectors’ and that ‘a doctor is not sent to the healthy but only the sick’. I think you are right to say we need Jesus all the more when we are sinful.

But i think the idea from reading the early writings (and still today) is that the onus is on us to transform our lives, be holy and then join with God for us catholics, in the eucharist. This has the advantage of helping us to remember the gulf between us and God regarding rightousness and our constant struggle to come close to Him by overcoming sin.

We perhaps are helped to overcome our sin by being reminded of it through our seperateness from God that it causes.

As Lily says, confession is there for the forgiveness of mortal sin or as the early writings say ‘confessing our sins to eachother’ and submitting ourselves to the Bishops, presbyters and deacons’.

I think that is where the theology comes from.

God Bless.
 
People in mortal sin can repent of it, confess their sin, and then receive the Eucharist.

Divorced people can receive the Eucharist. A legal divorce may not be sinful in itself.

If the divorce occurred partly because of some wrong one of the persons did (such as abuse or infidelity), he/she can confess that action and be forgiven.

But, if the marriage was a valid one from the beginning, they are still married in God’s sight. So they are not free to enter into another marriage. That would be sinful and would keep them from receiving the Eucharist.
 
Thank you for taking the time to respond and make things clearer for me to understand. I am really making a conscious effort to study my faith and it is very helpful to have feedback like you have given me. God bless you.
 
I don’t understand why people who have committed a mortal sin or why people who are divorced cannot receive Eucharist. What is the moral theology behind this??? Wouldn’t Jesus want us to receive Him to help us with our sins??? Isn’t that when we need Jesus most??? I don’t understand.

Thank you for clarifying this.

Deborah
A mortal Sin is just that mortal-mortality, death of the soul, that’s why the Sacrament of Confession is so important, last rights are just that, God loves to forgive the sinner and he makes it so easy. Divorce is a mortal sin because of God has joined together let no man put ansunder, Marriage is Holy and Sacrament hey but no one is perfect and we are a Church of confessed sinners… It’s all about repentence not perfection, but that’s what we try for.
 
A mortal Sin is just that mortal-mortality, death of the soul, that’s why the Sacrament of Confession is so important, last rights are just that, God loves to forgive the sinner and he makes it so easy. Divorce is a mortal sin because of God has joined together let no man put ansunder, Marriage is Holy and Sacrament hey but no one is perfect and we are a Church of confessed sinners… It’s all about repentence not perfection, but that’s what we try for.
Divorce is not in and of itself sinful - sometimes, as the Catechism notes, it’s actually a necessity, for an innocent spouse in a broken down marriage to protect their physical or material wellbeing, to protect their rights to child maintenance, child access or custody and so on.

Remarriage after divorce - without an annulment of the preexisting marriage - is sinful.
 
Doesn’t it take a long, complicated process to receive an annulment? I feel fortunate because I have been married for 21 years to a very loving person. I am just curious about what other members of our faith are experiencing. It must be very difficult and heartbreaking for them to not be able to receive Eucharist or to have to wait to have sexual relations with their new spouse recognized under our law, but not God’s law. I think most people would find it difficult to keep God’s law.
 
Doesn’t it take a long, complicated process to receive an annulment? I feel fortunate because I have been married for 21 years to a very loving person. I am just curious about what other members of our faith are experiencing. It must be very difficult and heartbreaking for them to not be able to receive Eucharist or to have to wait to have sexual relations with their new spouse recognized under our law, but not God’s law. I think most people would find it difficult to keep God’s law.
Part of the problem in today’s world is that there is a large amount of misinformation about what Catholics believe. I would think that a lot of the time, people act on getting remarried w/o a declaration of nulity simply because they do not know that it is necessary, and we do have priests who themselves do not seem to take time to learn the Faith.

The thing about a declaration of nulity is that it isn’t at all like a “Catholic divorce.” What it says is that there was something lacking at the time the vows were made, and therefore the marriage never existed. So, not everyone who applies for a declaration of nulity will receive one. The way the Church looks at being ONLY divorced and then remarried without the declaration of nulity is that the person is committing adultary (sp?). Therefore, you are not free to date or civilly remarry while waiting for the Tribunal to issue the declaration of nulity, or if the Tribunal decides that the marriage is valid. There are other options, such as the Pauline and Petrine priviledges (sp?), but these apply to very specific situations. In terms of the process for petitioning to the Tribunal, I am not sure how long or costly it is, but I am sure that a Priest or Deacon could explain that in better detail.
 
Divorce is not in and of itself sinful - sometimes, as the Catechism notes, it’s actually a necessity, for an innocent spouse in a broken down marriage to protect their physical or material wellbeing, to protect their rights to child maintenance, child access or custody and so on.

Remarriage after divorce - without an annulment of the preexisting marriage - is sinful.
A Priest cannot approve of divorce, seperation yes but not divorce thats why the Sacrament of Marriage is indissolubile. A death of partner can free one of the law but you become seperated from the body of Christ by divorce, that’s why you cannot recieve the Eucharist if divorced.
Marriage is Holy that is why careful condieration should be made when marrying. Why is marriage a Sacrament? I was reading a bit of St Gregory and a piece about ‘man coming from woman’ this struck me of Jesus being born Mary and importance of Gods creation of Adam and Eve, not just Adam or Eve as individuals but being of one body.
 
A Priest cannot approve of divorce, seperation yes but not divorce thats why the Sacrament of Marriage is indissolubile. A death of partner can free one of the law but you become seperated from the body of Christ by divorce, that’s why you cannot recieve the Eucharist if divorced.
Marriage is Holy that is why careful condieration should be made when marrying. Why is marriage a Sacrament? I was reading a bit of St Gregory and a piece about ‘man coming from woman’ this struck me of Jesus being born Mary and importance of Gods creation of Adam and Eve, not just Adam or Eve as individuals but being of one body.
You are dead wrong. From the Catechism:

"2383 … If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense. "

So yes, in such situations the Church does (and its priests should) well and truly tolerate divorce. And you can certainly receive the Eucharist if divorced under such circumstances.
 
A Priest cannot approve of divorce, seperation yes but not divorce thats why the Sacrament of Marriage is indissolubile. A death of partner can free one of the law but you become seperated from the body of Christ by divorce, that’s why you cannot recieve the Eucharist if divorced.
Marriage is Holy that is why careful condieration should be made when marrying. Why is marriage a Sacrament? I was reading a bit of St Gregory and a piece about ‘man coming from woman’ this struck me of Jesus being born Mary and importance of Gods creation of Adam and Eve, not just Adam or Eve as individuals but being of one body.
Not so! LilyM is right.

Further, most dioceses want a civil divorce prior to invesitgating a decree of nullity. The Church cannot break the bond, but civil authority can and does. The Church then investigates to see if there was an impediment at the time the marriage was contracted.

Most dioceses have web sites that explain the rights of divorced laity in the United States, as well as the annulment process (don’t know about elsewhere):
archchicago.org/departments/tribunal/faq.shtm

familyministries.org/resources/article.asp?c_id=7&t_id=7&article_id=53

http://dioceseofbrooklyn.org/ministries/tribunal/annulment.html

http://dioceseofbrooklyn.org/ministries/tribunal/myths/myth1.html

http://www.rockforddiocese.org/search/pdfs/invalidity.pdf

http://www.rockforddiocese.org//ministries/Tribunal.htm
 
1 Corinthians 11:20-28
For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that )the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread;
and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks brings judgment upon himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
Note what Paul is asking us here. If a person come to recieve the Eucharist, and is not in a state of Grace, not only is it not benefical for the person, but it is actually a sin itself ( and a grave one)

Yes, Christ wants us to come to Him. But He cannot join with someone (which is what the Eucharist is) if that person is in sin.

Sin is, by definiton, a rejection of God. Christ is a gracious guest, He will not come where He is rejected.

The sins are called Mortal because they cause the spiritual death of the soul. The Dead cannot recieve Christ, only the living.

So the person must first repent of their sins ( via Confession and Absolution). That Sacrament will renew our souls and return them to life.
 
Doesn’t it take a long, complicated process to receive an annulment? I feel fortunate because I have been married for 21 years to a very loving person. I am just curious about what other members of our faith are experiencing. It must be very difficult and heartbreaking for them to not be able to receive Eucharist or to have to wait to have sexual relations with their new spouse recognized under our law, but not God’s law. I think most people would find it difficult to keep God’s law.
People who are divorced only NEED an annulment if they want to change their Marital Status. THose who have a civil divorce are not barred from the EUCHARIST unless they Marry again…which more or less is living in a state of Adultery.
 
Sigh, all so complicated…🤷 …You need a PHD in theology and cannon law to be a good Catholic it seems.
 
Sigh, all so complicated…🤷 …You need a PHD in theology and cannon law to be a good Catholic it seems.
Unless you become as a little child, you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. No Phd required, only trust and love; God is able to enlighten the humble soul who steadfastly avoids sin and seeks the Face of God.
 
ummmmmmmmmmmmm…I’m gonna keep it simple…why can’t you receive the Eucharist in mortal sin? or an improper marriage? Because you then add sacrilege to your ever growing list of serious sins.

Peace,

Gail

P.S. Peace is a Confession away. There’s plenty of Jesus in that Sacrament too! You aught to have a talk with Him. He waits as the Divine Mercy!
 
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