Eucharist Wine

[Rosalina]

Hello: I have been a Catholic for about ten years, and have a question reguarding the consecration of the wine in the Latin Rite. The wine is never offered to the faithful, only the body (bread) Why then, is it consecrated at all. What happens to it after the priest has consecrated it?
Another question I have, maybe it has already been answered in another thread, but I can’t find it. Is white wine ever permissable to use? If so, what are the guidelines for it. If not, why not?
I know a Orthordox priest, who told me that he was going to use white wine, because it was easier to clean the alter and vestments. I never heard of this. It seems to me like it would be forbidden, but that is why I am asking.
I love to read the different questions and answers in this forum. I have really learned a lot. May God bless all who come here. Thank You Rosalina

P.S. By the way where is the spell-check on these things?

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Many parishes only distribute the Body of Christ under the form of bread at daily Mass. They do offer the Chalice at the Sunday and Holy Day liturgies usually. This may be simply be because there are not enough ministers or EMHC’s. It may be that the pastor feels it necessary to break the routine, and insert by this action that the whole Christ is present under both elements. The color of the wine does not matter. The priest consumes the contents of the Chalice if it is not offered to the faithful.

 

[Anglo-catholic]

Further question:

I viewed the separation of Body and Blood as symbolic of death (as described at the Cross). The uniting of the Body and Blood in us seems symbolic of the new life of Christ in us - His Church. (as in dying to ourselves . . etc).

Is this concept offbase? Why do Catholics believe both Body and Blood are present in the single Host.

 

[Deacon_Ed]

Anglo-catholic:

Further question:

I viewed the separation of Body and Blood as symbolic of death (as described at the Cross). The uniting of the Body and Blood in us seems symbolic of the new life of Christ in us - His Church. (as in dying to ourselves . . etc).

Is this concept offbase? Why do Catholics believe both Body and Blood are present in the single Host.

Anglo…

The reason we hold Jesus to be fully present under either the form of bread or the form of wine is that Jesus cannot be broken, cannot be separated from what He is. St. Thomas Aquinas provides a fairly lengthy philosophical argument for why this is true, but it boils down to this: Where Jesus is, all of Him is. We can’t see Him in the bread or the wine, but He is still there, and since He is there, all of Him is there.

Deacon Ed

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

Christ’s Body and Blood is reunited Sacramentally when the priest drops a small particle of the host into the chalice.

 

[Dr.Colossus]

Rosalina:

Hello: I have been a Catholic for about ten years, and have a question reguarding the consecration of the wine in the Latin Rite. The wine is never offered to the faithful, only the body (bread) Why then, is it consecrated at all. What happens to it after the priest has consecrated it?
Another question I have, maybe it has already been answered in another thread, but I can’t find it. Is white wine ever permissable to use? If so, what are the guidelines for it. If not, why not?
I know a Orthordox priest, who told me that he was going to use white wine, because it was easier to clean the alter and vestments. I never heard of this. It seems to me like it would be forbidden, but that is why I am asking.
I love to read the different questions and answers in this forum. I have really learned a lot. May God bless all who come here. Thank You Rosalina

P.S. By the way where is the spell-check on these things?

Before Vatican II, reception of the wine by the congregation was suppressed because the Church did not want anyone to fall into the heresy of believing that Christ was not fully present under one species. Now that this heresy (the name of which escapes me) is not a problem anymore, the Church allows the wine to be distributed as well, though it does not require it.

There have been a couple of discussions on whether or not white wine is allowed. Canon Law simply requires that it be “fruit of the vine”, and all-natural wine. It does not specify white or red grapes. We usually have white wine at my parish. But I am a little concerned about the Orthodox priest’s reasoning for using it – the Precious Blood should not be spilled on garments or altar cloths!!

 

[Mjohn1453]

In a Latin Rite Mass I would have assumed he meant purificators, though I didn’t think that the Orthodox used purificators. It could also be spilled prior to consecration.

 

[porthos11]

Jesus is present WHOLE AND ENTIRE in each of the species. A person receiving the Host receives the Body, Soul, Divinity, AND BLOOD of Christ. Why? Because Jesus is fully present and alive in the Blessed Sacrament.

In much the same way, a person who receives under the species of wine alone receives all the above. That’s why those who are allergic to gluten can receive the Precious Blood alone.

 

[Mike_C]

The priest is the one offering the Mass. He consumes the Precious Blood before the end of the Mass. The Latin Church supressed it because as one poster stated that Protestants claimed that there had to be both bread and wine for it to be valid. Thats not so. The Precious Blood is present in the Body, just as you have blood in your body.

Yes, white wine is permitted.

In both the Eastern Catholic Churches and the Orthodox Churches a purificator is used. Also a sponge (symbolizing the sponge offered to Christ on the cross) is used to wipe the sacred vessels.

 

[Anglo-catholic]

Thanks for all the (name removed by moderator)ut and info. I found more as I searched other threads. I can see where the “Protestants” are coming from in the plain language of scripture, the word of Jesus at the Last Supper, etc.

From a Roman Catholic sense of sacrifice - this would seem even more important - The Body given up for you - The Blood of the new covenant which was shed - a memorial of the sacrificial death of Christ (the separation of Body and Blood). Reunited in us - the Life of Christ in us - dying to ourselves - living in Christ.

To me there is tons of symbolism here - that confirm - not denies
the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

That’s why I’m Anglican.

 

[Kotton]

Mike C:

Yes, white wine is permitted.

This reminds me of my altar serving days (way pre V2). When we boys went to the convent for special events (profession of vows), Sister would remind us that the wine was white and not to confuse it with the water. There was some symbol on the cruet for wine that we could see to distinguish.

Kotton