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I am helping with a Bible Study and was needing some help on scripture references that pertain to the Eucharist. can anyone direct me in the right direction?

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DLG
 
1 Corinthians 10:16-17, 11:23-30 written c. A.D. 56, and the 6th chapter of John’s Gospel, written c. 90-100, and in addition, all of the Gospel accounts of the Passover meal (“Last Supper”).

The Eucharist was celebrated long before the first word about it was written down in what eventually became the New Testament. The NT is based upon the teaching of the Church, not vice versa.

A great book, free and on line, is Where We Got the Bible, Our Debt to the Catholic Church. You can buy the paperback edition from Catholic Answers – inexpensive and well worth the money.

catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible.htm

Jim Dandy
 
Sure.

Foundation:
Exodus Chapter 12 The Jews took the blood of the lamb and put it on their door so that the Angel of the Lord would passover them and not bring destruction to their family. The feast of unleavened bread occurs right after this, and celebrates the Jews being freed from bondage in Egypt. The Jewish forefathers ate manna in the dessert (which is a bread-like substance), and were saved from starvation.

Jesus is the Lamb of God. His blood was shed for the forgiveness of sins so that we might be saved.
[BIBLEDRB]John 1:29[/BIBLEDRB]

Jesus says:
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 4:4 [/BIBLEDRB]

And this is from here:
[BIBLEDRB]Deuteronomy 8:3[/BIBLEDRB]
And Jesus is the Word of God (John 1), and so the point is that bread is not enough, we need God who is present in the Eucharist.

Jesus is the Bread of Life:
[BIBLEDRB]John 6:47-51[/BIBLEDRB]

And He gave us the Eucharist the night before He died during the feast of the Passover:
[BIBLEDRB]Luke 22:19-20[/BIBLEDRB]

Paul repeats this and shares the meaning of it with us and explains that it is not just bread and wine but the Body and Blood of Christ when he says drinking in an unworthy manner makes you guilty of the body and blood of Christ.
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 11:23-27[/BIBLEDRB]

When we eat the Body and Blood of Christ we are in communion with Christ together in one body.
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 10:16[/BIBLEDRB]

The Hebrews kept the showbread in the temple, which was an offering to God:
[BIBLEDRB]Leviticus 24:5-6[/BIBLEDRB]

And we are temples of the Holy Spirit so we keep the bread that comes down from heaven in our temple (our body)
[BIBLEDRB]1 Corinthians 6:19-20[/BIBLEDRB]

There are more, I’m sure, but this should help you out.
 
=DLG123;8045991]I am helping with a Bible Study and was needing some help on scripture references that pertain to the Eucharist. can anyone direct me in the right direction?
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DLG
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**Exo. 16 “7 **and in the morning you shall see the glory of the LORD, because he has heard your murmurings against the LORD. For what are we, that you murmur against us?" 8 And Moses said, “When the LORD gives you in the evening flesh to eat and in the morning bread to the full, because the LORD has heard your murmurings which you murmur against him–what are we? Your murmurings are not against us but against the LORD.” [Manna in morning and Quail at night]

**John 6:52 *“ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever."

“**Heb 9:11-15 ** “Brothers and sisters: When Christ came as high priest of the good things that have come to be, passing through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made by hands, that is, not belonging to this creation, he entered once for all into the sanctuary, not with the blood of goats and calves but with his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption”

Eucharist verses from the Douay Rheims Bible

Matthew 26: 26-28

And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

MARK 14: 22-24

And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This is my body. And having taken the chalice, giving thanks, he gave it to them. And they all drank of it. And he said to them: This is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many.

Luke 22: 19-21

And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

Paul 1 Cor.11: 23-29

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall show the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: [to be worthy of the privilege] and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. For he that eats and drinks unworthily, eats and drinks judgment to himself, [condemns himself by freewill choice] not discerning the body of the Lord.

send me a PM if you need more information,

God Bless you and THANKS for getting involved,
Pat
 
For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name is great among the nations, and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering; for my name is great among the nations, says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 1:11)
Early Christians regarded Malachi 1:11 as a prophecy concerning the Eucharist. (Didache 14; St. Justin Martyr’s Dialogue With Trypho 41; St. Irenaeus’ Against Heresies IV, 17)
 
Instead of this, you nourished your people with food of angels and furnished them bread from heaven, ready to hand, untoiled-for, endowed with all delights and conforming to every taste. For this substance of yours revealed your sweetness toward your children, and serving the desire of him who received it, was blended to whatever flavor each one wished. (Wisdom 16:20-21)

Wisdom 16 speaks about elements changing properties, matter loosing it’s nature and taking on the nature of other matter. The whole thing speaks to me of transubstantiation.

-Tim-
 
=TimothyH;8050154]Instead of this, you nourished your people with food of angels and furnished them bread from heaven, ready to hand, untoiled-for, endowed with all delights and conforming to every taste. For this substance of yours revealed your sweetness toward your children, and serving the desire of him who received it, was blended to whatever flavor each one wished. (Wisdom 16:20-21)
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Wisdom 16 speaks about elements changing properties, matter loosing it’s nature and taking on the nature of other matter. The whole thing speaks to me of transubstantiation.
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-Tim-
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THANKS Tim!
 
DLG123 said:
I am helping with a Bible Study and was needing some help on scripture references that pertain to the Eucharist. can anyone direct me in the right direction?

Thanks,
DLG
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The Catholic Church and the Bible by Fr. Stravinskis from Ignatius press has the entire last section devoted to documenting line by line where each prayer and response of the Mass comes from in sacred scripture. I am using it in my summer confirmation classes for adults and youth. I am sure there are other sources, this is the one I am most familiar with and use most often.
 
TimothyH said:
Instead of this, you nourished your people with food of angels and furnished them bread from heaven, ready to hand, untoiled-for, endowed with all delights and conforming to every taste. For this substance of yours revealed your sweetness toward your children, and serving the desire of him who received it, was blended to whatever flavor each one wished. (Wisdom 16:20-21)

Wisdom 16 speaks about elements changing properties, matter loosing it’s nature and taking on the nature of other matter. The whole thing speaks to me of transubstantiation.

-Tim-
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Though I have read Wisdom, I apparently missed this! Thanks for pointing it out! 👍
 
There are a couple of verses - 17 and 19 - in Chapter 16 of the Book of Wisdom wich speak of elements changing places or water not quenching fire, but it bothered me for a while this evening because I had remembered that there was a whole passage about it and not just one or two verses. So I went through the second half of Wisdom in the RSV and found what I was really thinking of re. elements changing places, etc. It was in chapter 19.

For the elements changed places with one another, as on a harp the notes vary the nature of the rhythm, while each note remains the same. This may be clearly inferred from the sight of what took place. For land animals were transformed into water creatures, and creatures that swim moved over to the land. Fire even in water retained its normal power, and water forgot its fire-quenching nature. Flames, on the contrary, failed to consume the flesh of perishable creatures that walked among them, nor did they melt the crystalline, easily melted kind of heavenly food. (Wisom 19:18-21)

This was part of the author’s recounting of God’s providence during the Exodus from Egypt. I’m not saying it is about transubstantiation, but it quacks like a duck to me. 😃

Does anyone know to what exactly the author is referring? I can’t recall animals being in flames and not consumed in Exodus. I recall Hananiah Mishael and Azariah being in the firey furnace in the Book of Daniel but not in Exodus. And what is the reference to about water not quenching fire? Where is that from? Anyone know?

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
There are a couple of verses - 17 and 19 - in Chapter 16 of the Book of Wisdom wich speak of elements changing places or water not quenching fire, but it bothered me for a while this evening because I had remembered that there was a whole passage about it and not just one or two verses. So I went through the second half of Wisdom in the RSV and found what I was really thinking of re. elements changing places, etc. It was in chapter 19.

For the elements changed places with one another, as on a harp the notes vary the nature of the rhythm, while each note remains the same. This may be clearly inferred from the sight of what took place. For land animals were transformed into water creatures, and creatures that swim moved over to the land. Fire even in water retained its normal power, and water forgot its fire-quenching nature. Flames, on the contrary, failed to consume the flesh of perishable creatures that walked among them, nor did they melt the crystalline, easily melted kind of heavenly food. (Wisom 19:18-21)

This was part of the author’s recounting of God’s providence during the Exodus from Egypt. I’m not saying it is about transubstantiation, but it quacks like a duck to me. 😃

Does anyone know to what exactly the author is referring? I can’t recall animals being in flames and not consumed in Exodus. I recall Hananiah Mishael and Azariah being in the firey furnace in the Book of Daniel but not in Exodus. And what is the reference to about water not quenching fire? Where is that from? Anyone know?

-Tim-
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It’s been awhile since I read Wisdom, and now I’m going to have to read it all again 😉

Good questions, perhaps we should start a new thread about it and discuss it 😃
 
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