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I have read that the Eucharist is outside of time much like god. It is continually going on and you are brought out of time to take part in the pascal (whatever that is) mystery. Or atleast some part of you is taken out of time. And of course transubstantiation is believe by catholics. I got this from reading an excerpt from Vinny Flynn on the 7 secrects of the eucharist. Has anyone else heard of this too. Is this a theological fact?

Bill
 
I don’t have any answers to your questions, because I’m not sure about the philosophical underpinnngs of the statement. But the mystery is the paschal mystery–the mystery of the passion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

–Jen
 
I don’t have any answers to your questions, because I’m not sure about the philosophical underpinnngs of the statement. But the mystery is the paschal mystery–the mystery of the passion, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

–Jen
Ok then what exactly is the passion? I have heard the terms used in and out of catholicism but never really caught onto what they mean. There is also the “pashcal candle” in the parrish that I believe is lit every easter from a fire burned from the palms gathered on palm sunday.

Bill
 
Ok then what exactly is the passion? I have heard the terms used in and out of catholicism but never really caught onto what they mean. There is also the “pashcal candle” in the parrish that I believe is lit every easter from a fire burned from the palms gathered on palm sunday.

Bill
The Passion is exactly what it sounds like…The events that occurred beginning Holy Thursday Evening beginning with Jesus Praying in the Garden and ending with His death on the Cross. After that comes the Resurrection…

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I have read that the Eucharist is outside of time much like god. It is continually going on and you are brought out of time to take part in the pascal (whatever that is) mystery. Or atleast some part of you is taken out of time. And of course transubstantiation is believe by catholics. I got this from reading an excerpt from Vinny Flynn on the 7 secrects of the eucharist. Has anyone else heard of this too. Is this a theological fact?

Bill
Christ is present in the Eucharist in multiple places and at many different times.

Jesus himself drew near and walked with them, but their eyes were prevented from recognizing him. (Luke 24:15-16)

Christ is substantially present int he Eucharist in France in the year 827, present in the tabernacle at the Church in your town right now, and will be present in a tabernacle in Japan in the year 3125 should he not return in person by then.

***And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them. With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight. *(Luke 24:30-31)

We can only be present in one place at one time but the sacramental presence of Our Lord transcends space and time.

Then the two recounted what had taken place on the way and how he was made known to them in the breaking of the bread. (Luke 24:35)

-Tim-
 
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I have read that the Eucharist is outside of time much like god. It is continually going on and you are brought out of time to take part in the pascal (whatever that is) mystery. Or atleast some part of you is taken out of time. And of course transubstantiation is believe by catholics. I got this from reading an excerpt from Vinny Flynn on the 7 secrects of the eucharist. Has anyone else heard of this too. Is this a theological fact?
Ok then what exactly is the passion? I have heard the terms used in and out of catholicism but never really caught onto what they mean. There is also the “pashcal candle” in the parrish that I believe is lit every easter from a fire burned from the palms gathered on palm sunday.
Bill,

Oh boy… lots of questions! Some of these questions are pretty fundamental and important to a basic understanding of the Christian faith; others are a little more advanced. Can we start from the beginning, and see where our explanations lead?

First off, you ask about what “paschal” means. The word “paschal” comes from “pascha” – or “Passover”. When we look at the Eucharist, we recognize that what Jesus did wasn’t something that he just created from nothing. Instead, we see that his actions were a fulfillment of what already existed in the law that Moses received from God. (In other words, we’re saying that the faith of the Jewish people was good; but what they did wasn’t complete, and what Jesus did was the way that their actions were completed and brought to fulfillment.) (Should we take a time-out and talk about what the Passover event, and the yearly Passover obligation, were all about to the Jewish people? It’s ok if we do – it’s important if we want to understand what Jesus did!)

So, what happened at the Passover in Egypt was something that God required every Jewish person to re-enact, every year, in order to be able to continue calling themselves “Jews”. It was that important. In fact, what Jesus did at the “Last Supper” was actually in the context of one of those yearly re-enactments of the meaning of the Passover event.

What’s really impressive about Jesus’ actions was that they weren’t just the normal, run-of-the-mill yearly re-enactment: what Jesus did was something new. His actions were more than just what he did at the Last Supper – they extended to what Jesus did throughout his passion (that is, from Holy Thursday, through Good Friday, and all the way to his resurrection overnight into Easter Sunday). In his “Passion” – his experience over these three days – Jesus became our Savior. So, he took the place of the Passover (i.e., “Paschal”) lamb. In this way, he became a new source of light for us. So, when we talk about a “Paschal candle”, we’re referring to the way that Jesus (as the Son of God), became the light that guides us through life and to heaven. The candle that we light at the Easter Vigil is a reminder to us that Jesus is the light of our life who guides us to heaven. Does that make sense?

Now… that gets us close to being able to talk about a mystical understanding of the Eucharist. Before we get there, though, I should stop and give you a chance to ask any questions you might have. So… any questions? Or should I keep going on…?
 
I have read that the Eucharist is outside of time much like god. It is continually going on and you are brought out of time to take part in the pascal (whatever that is) mystery. Or atleast some part of you is taken out of time. And of course transubstantiation is believe by catholics. I got this from reading an excerpt from Vinny Flynn on the 7 secrects of the eucharist. Has anyone else heard of this too. Is this a theological fact?

Bill
The Mass is Calvary.
The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord.

When was Calvary? Where was Calvary? When is Mass? Where is Mass?

Keep in mind, the Mass is Calvary (hint: not a community meal)
 
The Mass is Calvary.
The Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord.

When was Calvary? Where was Calvary? When is Mass? Where is Mass?

Keep in mind, the Mass is Calvary (hint: not a community meal)
A true re-presentation, mystical memorial, and effective application of the Calvary sacrifice proportional to the faithful’s faith and loving response.
 
Bill,

Oh boy… lots of questions! Some of these questions are pretty fundamental and important to a basic understanding of the Christian faith; others are a little more advanced. Can we start from the beginning, and see where our explanations lead?

First off, you ask about what “paschal” means. The word “paschal” comes from “pascha” – or “Passover”. When we look at the Eucharist, we recognize that what Jesus did wasn’t something that he just created from nothing. Instead, we see that his actions were a fulfillment of what already existed in the law that Moses received from God. (In other words, we’re saying that the faith of the Jewish people was good; but what they did wasn’t complete, and what Jesus did was the way that their actions were completed and brought to fulfillment.) (Should we take a time-out and talk about what the Passover event, and the yearly Passover obligation, were all about to the Jewish people? It’s ok if we do – it’s important if we want to understand what Jesus did!)

So, what happened at the Passover in Egypt was something that God required every Jewish person to re-enact, every year, in order to be able to continue calling themselves “Jews”. It was that important. In fact, what Jesus did at the “Last Supper” was actually in the context of one of those yearly re-enactments of the meaning of the Passover event.

What’s really impressive about Jesus’ actions was that they weren’t just the normal, run-of-the-mill yearly re-enactment: what Jesus did was something new. His actions were more than just what he did at the Last Supper – they extended to what Jesus did throughout his passion (that is, from Holy Thursday, through Good Friday, and all the way to his resurrection overnight into Easter Sunday). In his “Passion” – his experience over these three days – Jesus became our Savior. So, he took the place of the Passover (i.e., “Paschal”) lamb. In this way, he became a new source of light for us. So, when we talk about a “Paschal candle”, we’re referring to the way that Jesus (as the Son of God), became the light that guides us through life and to heaven. The candle that we light at the Easter Vigil is a reminder to us that Jesus is the light of our life who guides us to heaven. Does that make sense?

Now… that gets us close to being able to talk about a mystical understanding of the Eucharist. Before we get there, though, I should stop and give you a chance to ask any questions you might have. So… any questions? Or should I keep going on…?
I’ve been in the church for a few years but because of transportation problems have not been able to make it to a lot of the days of obligation. I’ve only seen the paschal candle lit once when I was confirmed so there are a lot of terms I haven’t “came to terms with”😉 For the first time in a long time a had a way to the suday mass and was “burnt out” I’ve been having a crisis of faith. I will have to go to confession.

Bill
 
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