Eucharistic Adoration and the East

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You are of course entitled to your opinion.

I would opine that the foot of the Cross is really the fulfillment of the Last Supper, and the event (together with the Resurrexion) in which we participate at the Divine Liturgy.
 
There are Arabic, Russian, Byzantine and even Latin schools of iconography. Going Oriental, one finds the Copts and others with their own schools, too. It is a practise that was both universal and inculturated.
Iconography wasn’t exactly universal and it shouldn’t necesarily be universal. The Church of the East is one Church that has absolutely no iconography. Their tradition is just as ancient as that of the Byzantines. I agree with your perspective that the Eucharist is meant to be eaten but remember that theology isn’t exclusively Greek. And it would be a mistake to think that all the ancient Christians were like the modern Byzantines. They weren’t.
 
I just came back from a “Come and See” weekend for the Dominican Order of the Western Province. We had adoration three times this weekend and I was greatly enriched by this. Futhermore, I am now even futher convinced that Eucharistic Adoration and Benediction is one of the most blessed gifts the Church has to offer!!!

Tantum ergo Sacramentum
Veneremur cernui:
Et antiquum documentum
Novo cedat ritui:
Praestet fides supplementum
Sensuum defectui.

Genitori, Genitoque
Laus et jubilatio,
Salus, honor, virtus quoque
Sit et benedictio:
Procedenti ab utroque
Compar sit laudatio.
Amen.
 
Iconography wasn’t exactly universal and it shouldn’t necesarily be universal. The Church of the East is one Church that has absolutely no iconography. Their tradition is just as ancient as that of the Byzantines. I agree with your perspective that the Eucharist is meant to be eaten but remember that theology isn’t exclusively Greek. And it would be a mistake to think that all the ancient Christians were like the modern Byzantines. They weren’t.
You bring up a good point on this one Jimmy.

My original point was that iconograhical veneration as found in Byzantium today is a later development, that not all eastern churches (or even the early west) approached in the same fashion as the modern Byzantines. You underscore this in pointing to the CotE as being absent this style of devotion and prayer at all.

Not all things that are modern or later developments in Christianity can or should be so easily dismissed for not being rooted strictly in Apostolic times. If we are going to use that as our litmus test, this Byzantine will need some time to prepare for a DL that is much plainer, with far simpler vestments & tones, and far more local variation. I can promise you our bishops ain’t gonna look like what we think bishops should look like anymore either! And don’t get too attached to that new-fangled iconscreen!

The pride of place in where and how the Holy Gifts are preserved in the Byzantine tradition - in the tabernacle, on the altar, of course behind the iconscreen… A compelling case can be made that in the postures and prayers of Royal Hours (as well as the rest of office), a prototype of adoration is found in the orientation of the celebrant - most often standing in front of the Royal Doors with a posture of where the Eucharist is reserved - on the holy table.

Father John Hardon writes:
Under the impact of this faith, the early hermits reserved the Eucharist in their cells. From at least the middle of the third
century, it was very general for the solitaries in the East,
especially in Palestine and Egypt, to preserve the consecrated
elements in the caves or hermitages where they lived.
The immediate purpose of this reservation was to enable the hermits to give themselves Holy Communion. But these hermits were too conscious of what the Real Presence was not to treat it with great reverence and not to think of it as serving a sacred purpose by just being nearby.
Consider also the postures of approach to receive the Eucharist - a humble approach with an awareness of what is about to take place and Whom you are approaching. Also how common it is to see the faithful kiss the chalice after communing. This gesture, on the face of it, doesn’t correlate well to the most narrow mentality of “don’t consider past the aspect of consumption” Surely at the time they are kissing the chalice, the Eucharist is still in their mouths!

Worth considering also is the reverence shown empty chalices which the unordained should not touch… or the kissing of a priest’s hand - a sign of respect for the Awesomeness it has enthroned…

Worth considering again is the fact that Byzantine hierarchs who were the soled authorities in approving western rite services have approved this service in their WRO chapels… That in and of itself doesn’t speak to uniform acceptance, but tells us at least some are unbothered by it.

It is a funny thing that I should end up feeling compelled to defend a practice I don’t partake in… Yet in doing so, I think I am more defending a sense of catholicity which is a hallmark of our faith and has been since the Apostles went different directions to the four corners.
 
Consider also the postures of approach to receive the Eucharist - a humble approach with an awareness of what is about to take place and Whom you are approaching. Also how common it is to see the faithful kiss the chalice after communing. This gesture, on the face of it, doesn’t correlate well to the most narrow mentality of “don’t consider past the aspect of consumption” Surely at the time they are kissing the chalice, the Eucharist is still in their mouths!

Worth considering also is the reverence shown empty chalices which the unordained should not touch… or the kissing of a priest’s hand - a sign of respect for the Awesomeness it has enthroned…

Worth considering again is the fact that Byzantine hierarchs who were the soled authorities in approving western rite services have approved this service in their WRO chapels… That in and of itself doesn’t speak to uniform acceptance, but tells us at least some are unbothered by it.

It is a funny thing that I should end up feeling compelled to defend a practice I don’t partake in… Yet in doing so, I think I am more defending a sense of catholicity which is a hallmark of our faith and has been since the Apostles went different directions to the four corners.
I think that the reception of the Sacrament is the peak of worship. md the reception of the Eucharist is its purpose. No adoration can go beyond the reception of the Eucharist. So from my perspective all adoration should look to reception of the Sacrament as its goal. It should not be done without that in mind because it loses its point. So there is nothing wrong with adoration but it should be done with the purpose of communion.
 
I think that the reception of the Sacrament is the peak of worship. md the reception of the Eucharist is its purpose. No adoration can go beyond the reception of the Eucharist. So from my perspective all adoration should look to reception of the Sacrament as its goal. It should not be done without that in mind because it loses its point. So there is nothing wrong with adoration but it should be done with the purpose of communion.
Fair enough… so long as no one is proposing that Latin styles of adoration are done to the exclusion of reception or in lieu of.

A case can well be made that Eucharistic adoration of a clear type is in the DL when it is considered that in former times - and STILL in some places - frequent communion was largely unheard of.

Yet even in a setting where a priest would know his faithful will not be communing (something common in some monasteries) he would still remove the gifts from the Holy Table and leave the altar through the Royal Doors to hold up the chalice.

We very much have what the Latins in turn formalized.
 
I just came back from a “Come and See” weekend for the Dominican Order of the Western Province. We had adoration three times this weekend and I was greatly enriched by this. Futhermore, I am now even futher convinced that Eucharistic Adoration and Benediction is one of the most blessed gifts the Church has to offer!!!

Tantum ergo Sacramentum
Veneremur cernui:
Et antiquum documentum
Novo cedat ritui:
Praestet fides supplementum
Sensuum defectui.

Genitori, Genitoque
Laus et jubilatio,
Salus, honor, virtus quoque
Sit et benedictio:
Procedenti ab utroque
Compar sit laudatio.
Amen.
I was going to be there but I had the flu! 😦

Did you get to talk to Fr. Steve Maekawa? He and I had lunch one day last fall. A great guy!

Peace and God bless!
 
So from my perspective all adoration should look to reception of the Sacrament as its goal. It should not be done without that in mind because it loses its point. So there is nothing wrong with adoration but it should be done with the purpose of communion.
You are correct!

The Latin Church teaches that:

“When the faithful adore Christ present in the sacrament, they should remember that his presence derives from the sacrifice and is directed towards both sacramental and spiritual communion” (Sacred Congregation of Rites, Instruction on the Worship of the Eucharistic Mystery, n. 50).
 
I was going to be there but I had the flu! 😦

Did you get to talk to Fr. Steve Maekawa? He and I had lunch one day last fall. A great guy!

Peace and God bless!
I did meet Fr. Steve. In fact he picked me up and drove me to the airport. We had a very fruitful conversation and he was very encouraging in my discernment (However, he did suggest that I need to get integrated into a Latin Parish 😃 ). Hopefully this time next year I will begin the application process to join the order!!! Its unfortunate that you were unable to attend. I would have been very pleased to have to the opportunity to meet the world famous Ghosty!!! 😃 I hope you are feeling better.
 
What really bothers me here is that it seem that we in the West are being asked to abandon our Latin traditions. That is just as offensive as Latinizations are in the East.
I believe that as we approach a "post-protestant/post-reformation (some say post-christian…) era eucharistic adoration may decline. To my knowledge it was largely a counter-reformation practice promoted by the hierarchy to fight protestant influence, if protestant influence disappears, so to is some of the impetus of eucharistic adoration, the denial of Christs living prescence in the visually bread and wine hosts. Although on the other hand some of its influence came 500-400 years before the reformation

It is a providential turn of history that again the Eastern Churches possibly have enough awe and admiration from westerners that they would encourage borrowing their traditions among Westerners again as was common in the 1st millenium. hellenization of latins …hmm… not unsual during the pax romana…

I am divided over this question about eucharistic adoration. While we can’t argue that it is inherently bad we are free to not participate in the form it takes with a monstrance. As long as it serves a purpose and people gain holiness from Jesus Christ it continues to exist. It was a good question. It is an anomaly of western counter reformation culture for the most part with origins in Berengarius of tours.
And it does seem to me that for the time being it certainly serves a purpose within western culture.
Though the feast of Corpus Christi was officially established only in the thirteenth century, its institution was probably occasioned by these eucharistic controversies (against the New Berengarians). The same may be said of the ceremony of the elevation of the Host after the consecration in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
 
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