Eucharistic Adoration

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Does the Byzantine church have eucharistic adoration?

As of late, I’ve been wondering if I should change rites. Not sure yet so I’m staying “on the west side.” 😛
 
We certainly do in my Byzantine/Ruthenian parish. The Sacred Particle is placed in a chalice, the chalice is then veiled and a small crown is placed upon the veil.

The chalice is left on the altar.

Then we pray the Rosary (much like the Bl. Bp. Paul Peter Gojdich did on a daily basis.)
 
We certainly do in my Byzantine/Ruthenian parish. The Sacred Particle is placed in a chalice, the chalice is then veiled and a small crown is placed upon the veil.

The chalice is left on the altar.

Then we pray the Rosary (much like the Bl. Bp. Paul Peter Gojdich did on a daily basis.)
What’s the point when the Eucharist is already on the altar in the tabernacle? 🤷 I don’t understand this counter-reformation Latin practice where to stare at the Eucharist and pray is different or preferable to praying in the presence of the Eucharist already present in the tabernacle. Eucharistic adoration isn’t a traditional Byzantine or Eastern practice, and wasn’t even a Latin practice until the counter-reformation. The practice was introduced to re-affirm the belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, something the East never lost nor did a portion of the West until late in Christian history.
 
In the Eastern Rite flat unleavened Hosts are not used, what is used is prosphora …leavened bread.

I remember an old saying, but can’t remember where now.

“You can’t fit a bun in a monstrance”.
 
Remember that the principal reason for Reservation is NOT for adoration but to provide for Communion for the sick.

Adoration and Benediction grew in the West only because there were people who doubted the reality of the Eucharist. It was never a question in the East. Orthodox and other Eastern Churches (non-Chalcedonian) know almost nothing about these practices, and they are actually contrary to the Orthodox liturgical ethos.

They grew up in among Eastern Catholics only by imitation, because many Latin Catholics (especially bishops who had jurisdiction over Eastern parishes) thought they weren’t “real Catholics” unless they did them.

On the other hand, the devotional needs met by Benediction and Adoration are more than adequately provided for in the Divine Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts.
 
We certainly do in my Byzantine/Ruthenian parish. The Sacred Particle is placed in a chalice, the chalice is then veiled and a small crown is placed upon the veil.

The chalice is left on the altar.

Then we pray the Rosary (much like the Bl. Bp. Paul Peter Gojdich did on a daily basis.)
Interesting. I didn’t think the Rosary was big in the Byzantine church. My beau grew up Byzantine Ruthenian and he has no clue about the Rosary. He’s expressed a bit of an interest in it because I talk about it. He’s told me he just didn’t hear much about it.
In the Eastern Rite flat unleavened Hosts are not used, what is used is prosphora …leavened bread.

I remember an old saying, but can’t remember where now.

“You can’t fit a bun in a monstrance”.
Yes. This is why I asked. We went to Divine Liturgy yesterday (rather than Mass) and the host is usually in the wine and “spooned” out. Yesterday was different. They were pieces of bread that were dipped in wine.

I’m looking to go to Eucharistic Adoration this week and so I was wondering about that in the Byzantine Church.
Remember that the principal reason for Reservation is NOT for adoration but to provide for Communion for the sick.

Adoration and Benediction grew in the West only because there were people who doubted the reality of the Eucharist. It was never a question in the East. Orthodox and other Eastern Churches (non-Chalcedonian) know almost nothing about these practices, and they are actually contrary to the Orthodox liturgical ethos.

They grew up in among Eastern Catholics only by imitation, because many Latin Catholics (especially bishops who had jurisdiction over Eastern parishes) thought they weren’t “real Catholics” unless they did them.

On the other hand, the devotional needs met by Benediction and Adoration are more than adequately provided for in the Divine Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts.
Honestly, bpbasilphx, you can’t tell me that there aren’t people in the Orthodox religion that doubt the real presence. I’ve seen your posts and they come off as if Orthodoxy is better than and you guys are more pious.

According to the wikipedia article linked above, it was St. Basil who started the practice and St. Francis of Assisi who picked it up and went further with it:
One of the first possible references to reserving the Blessed Sacrament for adoration is found in a life of St. Basil (who died in 379). Basil is said to have divided the Eucharistic Bread into three parts when he celebrated the Divine Liturgy in the monastery. One part he consumed, the second part he gave to the monks, and the third he placed in a golden dove suspended over the altar
There is, of course, more to the article and yes, it “grew” in the West.

The article did leave me with some questions about Eastern practice, but different from the original topic.
 
The public use of the Rosary is a latinization (private use is unregulated); actively discouraged no because it has come to replace the orthros/hours in many cases.

In many parishes it is still done. At St Nick’s, for example the public roasary is still done, but it is doen before third hour, not in place of.
 
Since the Fall of Communism, Protestant missionaries have been active in Eastern Europe, and that means the Real Presence is being questioned in areas where Eastern Rite Catholics live.
 
Since the Fall of Communism, Protestant missionaries have been active in Eastern Europe, and that means the Real Presence is being questioned in areas where Eastern Rite Catholics live.
Nice excuse for latinizations. 👍 Maybe us Orthodox will have to start doing it too. :rolleyes:
 
Honestly, bpbasilphx, you can’t tell me that there aren’t people in the Orthodox religion that doubt the real presence. I’ve seen your posts and they come off as if Orthodoxy is better than and you guys are more pious.

**You will find individuals in any church who might deny something the church officially teaches. Someone said that 70% of Roman Catholics don’t believe in the Real Presence; I really doubt this. (I would also like to know how this statististic was determined.)

However, denial of this doctrine didn’t become the organized movement that it did in the West with Berengarius and Protestantism.

OTOH, it is true that Iconoclasm originated in the East as a major problem and never was an issue in the West (until the Reformation), which is probably why myrrh-gushing and weeping icons are more likely to be found in the Eastern Churches than in Western ones.

There are problems everywhere. Different churches and confessions have different problems.

**
 
Does the Byzantine church have eucharistic adoration?

As of late, I’ve been wondering if I should change rites. Not sure yet so I’m staying “on the west side.” 😛
May I ask why you’ve been considering the change?
 
May I ask why you’ve been considering the change?
That’s a good question. I can’t really answer that other than the Divine Liturgy is more attractive than the Mass. Although I have finally found a reverent Mass in a very nice looking church. That’s important to me. We’re Catholic, we shouldn’t look Protestant. (let’s refrain from a discussion on that in this thread, shall we? ;))

My beau and I are on track for, and most likely going to, marry. He’s Byzantine.

The Byzantine Ruthenian church looks very interesting and intriguing.

Other than the reasons, I really cannot answer that question. I know these are not reason enough to change rites which is why I say I am not about to change rites any time soon. In the mean time, I’m looking for… I guess you can say “equivalencies” in the Byzantine Church that I have in the Roman Church. I’m just thinking out loud right now. 😉
 
That’s a good question. I can’t really answer that other than the Divine Liturgy is more attractive than the Mass. Although I have finally found a reverent Mass in a very nice looking church. That’s important to me. We’re Catholic, we shouldn’t look Protestant. (let’s refrain from a discussion on that in this thread, shall we? ;))

My beau and I are on track for, and most likely going to, marry. He’s Byzantine.

The Byzantine Ruthenian church looks very interesting and intriguing.

Other than the reasons, I really cannot answer that question. I know these are not reason enough to change rites which is why I say I am not about to change rites any time soon. In the mean time, I’m looking for… I guess you can say “equivalencies” in the Byzantine Church that I have in the Roman Church. I’m just thinking out loud right now. 😉
Just a warning: Eastern Christianity is significantly different from Western. If you go in expecting to find eucharistic adoration and stations of the cross and the rosary you will be disappointed(unless you find yourself in one of the rather Latinized Eastern Catholic Churches). Maybe that would be appealing to you, but as it isn’t authentic to Eastern tradition it wouldn’t appeal to me. You have to take it for what it is and soak in the beauty and spirituality on its own terms. As it is, as a Catholic you’re perfectly entitled to attend an Eastern Catholic Church and participate in the life of that Church without “switching”. Go attend the Divine Liturgy and other services and see how you feel and maybe somewhere down the road you might feel the need to change ritual Churches, but you don’t have to. 🙂
 
Just a warning: Eastern Christianity is significantly different from Western. If you go in expecting to find eucharistic adoration and stations of the cross and the rosary you will be disappointed(unless you find yourself in one of the rather Latinized Eastern Catholic Churches). Maybe that would be appealing to you, but as it isn’t authentic to Eastern tradition it wouldn’t appeal to me. You have to take it for what it is and soak in the beauty and spirituality on its own terms. As it is, as a Catholic you’re perfectly entitled to attend an Eastern Catholic Church and participate in the life of that Church without “switching”. Go attend the Divine Liturgy and other services and see how you feel and maybe somewhere down the road you might feel the need to change ritual Churches, but you don’t have to. 🙂
Yawp! 😃

I do attend Divine Liturgy. We switch between Mass and Divine Liturgy. And while I’m not trying to find in the Eastern Rite what I have in the Latin Rite, I’m wondering what the similarities and differences are right now.

So, knowing I can attend Divine Liturgy without switching is why I’m not about to switch any time soon. If I even do so.

It’s really cool dating a Byzantine Catholic. We get to share in communion together in each others rites. :love:
 
That’s a good question. I can’t really answer that other than the Divine Liturgy is more attractive than the Mass. Although I have finally found a reverent Mass in a very nice looking church. That’s important to me. We’re Catholic, we shouldn’t look Protestant. (let’s refrain from a discussion on that in this thread, shall we? ;))

My beau and I are on track for, and most likely going to, marry. He’s Byzantine.

The Byzantine Ruthenian church looks very interesting and intriguing.

Other than the reasons, I really cannot answer that question. I know these are not reason enough to change rites which is why I say I am not about to change rites any time soon. In the mean time, I’m looking for… I guess you can say “equivalencies” in the Byzantine Church that I have in the Roman Church. I’m just thinking out loud right now. 😉
If he’s byzantine and you marry him, that is, by blackletter canon law, good enough reason to switch enrollment.
 
Because there are no set devotions for Eucharistic Adoration, Eastern Catholics could say the Liturgy of the Hours, pray the Psalms, recite the Jesus prayer, read scripture etc.
Also, just because the Real Presence wasen't questioned in the East until recent times, it doesn't mean the tremendous benefits of Eucharistic Adoration are somehow cancelled out.
 
Even though it is a Latinization, why discourage it? The beauties of the Faith should be open to everyone in the Church. I am canonically a Latin, yet I go to the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom whenever I can, and pray the Jesus Prayer (a Byzantine-ization?) before/during the Tridentine Mass when I go there.

Does a devotion need to be a reaction against a heresy? I am glad that the Orthodox have never denied the Real Presence (and, from my own readings of Orthodox literature, I have never seen it denied - the occasional polemic against the word “transubstantiation” seems to me just an anti-Latin polemic; the doctrine is the same) - but Adoration is a beautiful devotion, and with no equivalent Byzantine practice to do instead, why not add this practice?

Regarding the Rosary, versions of it began as a “substitute” for the Liturgy of the Hours in the West as well as in the East, as a concession to human laxity. Yet it was sanctified by the vision of Our Lady to St. Dominic. Priests and monks today (at least before Vatican II) say the Liturgy of Hours AS WELL AS the Rosary, and this should be the proper state of affairs. For the laity, the Rosary is the primary devotion in the Latin rite, since we are not in a position to chant the Psalms every three hours, but it is pleasing to God for us to say - as many of us do - at least a somewhat laxer version of the Hours (such as Morning Prayer and then Evening Prayer). I see no reason to make it an issue between “East” and “West”; the situation is the same for both of us.
 
Even though it is a Latinization, why discourage it? The beauties of the Faith should be open to everyone in the Church. I am canonically a Latin, yet I go to the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom whenever I can, and pray the Jesus Prayer (a Byzantine-ization?) before/during the Tridentine Mass when I go there.
Because our Bishops and the Holy See wants us to return to our own beautiful received liturgical traditions. I would not be so bold as to ask a priest offering the Extraordinary Rite to sing a Moleben at the conclusion of Low Mass. Private devotions are one thing, but every particular Church must be able to be free to offer the fullness of the liturgical traditions contained therein.
Regarding the Rosary, versions of it began as a “substitute” for the Liturgy of the Hours in the West as well as in the East, as a concession to human laxity. Yet it was sanctified by the vision of Our Lady to St. Dominic. Priests and monks today (at least before Vatican II) say the Liturgy of Hours AS WELL AS the Rosary, and this should be the proper state of affairs. For the laity, the Rosary is the primary devotion in the Latin rite, since we are not in a position to chant the Psalms every three hours, but it is pleasing to God for us to say - as many of us do - at least a somewhat laxer version of the Hours (such as Morning Prayer and then Evening Prayer). I see no reason to make it an issue between “East” and “West”; the situation is the same for both of us.
I would disagree with much of this. Read Sacrosanctum Concilium and other Magisterial documents regarding the Liturgy of the Hours since Vatican II. To the contrary, Rome is trying hard to restore this most ancient form of Christian prayer to every house, not just every rectory. There are plenty of good versions of the Hours out there that are indeed very adaptable to the exigencies of daily life.
 
Ukrainian Catholics practiced Eucharistic Adoration for hundreds of years after they learned it from their Polish Latin neighbors. Patriarch Lubomyr, in an effort to de-latinize the church, has banned the devotion. This is an effort to apply the Vatican directive of reclaiming Eastern identity.

The Maronites practice adoration, in fact they have a US monastery dedicated to it.
maronitemonks.org/index.htm
The Marionites tend to do their own thing and aren’t too concerned about being “Orthodox in communion with Rome” as most Eastern Catholics do.

I was Antiochian Orthodox, a tonsured reader, and learned abouot Adoration while attending a “Western Rite” Orthodox parish. Now that I am in communion with Rome I attend a Ukrainian Catholic parish but still go to the Adoration chapel at my local Latin parish.

You don’t have to choose one or the other if you love aspects of both. If you make the Byzantine Catholic parish your home, that doesn’t mean you have to abandon meaningful devotions that are part of your native spirituality.
 
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