Eucharistic Adoration

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Is Eucharistic Adoration supported by the fact that Manna was kept in the Ark?

And which is greater, Manna or Eucharist?
 
rcwitness said:
Is Eucharistic Adoration supported by the fact that Manna was kept in the Ark?

And which is greater, Manna or Eucharist?
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This letter to us Catholics can help understand why the Eucharist is more than we comprehend.

Worth a read, here’s a sample;
The Second Vatican Council rightly proclaimed that the Eucharistic sacrifice is “the source and summit of the Christian life”.1 “For the most holy Eucharist contains the Church’s entire spiritual wealth: Christ himself, our passover and living bread. Through his own flesh, now made living and life-giving by the Holy Spirit, he offers life to men”.2 Consequently the gaze of the Church is constantly turned to her Lord, present in the Sacrament of the Altar, in which she discovers the full manifestation of his boundless love.
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vatican.va/holy_father/special_features/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_20030417_ecclesia_eucharistia_en.html
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Why would Eucharistic Adoration need to be supported by any reason outside of itself?
 
The Eucharist is greater.

49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; 50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.” (John 6)
 
Tarpeian_Rock said:
Why would Eucharistic Adoration need to be supported by any reason outside of itself?
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Our practice and worship gets challenged on many fronts. This one I’ve heard before, along with questioning why we take care of even crumbs and handling. Also, I’ve heard questions as to why we do not only eat, but venerate.
 
Manna was simply food.
The Eucharist is Christ’s Body and Blood.
They don’t get that? That’s what we believe. It’s not the same, can’t be the same.
Sure we venerate Jesus. It’s about their belief that Jesus didn’t really mean what He said.
He never said “this is sort of like my body…you can pretend it is”.

We take Christ at His word. He never said He was in the manna. :confused:
 
I think that this comparison is a fairly weak simile.

Eucharistic Adoration has much more to do with the reality of the Real Presence of Christ than any typological example that can come from the Old Testament.

Manna and the true bread of life that is Christ Jesus in the Eucharist can certainly be compared. Both are gifts from God. Both are miraculous. Both provide nourishment but the nourishment of the Manna was only physical. The gift of Manna was a sign of God’s enduring love for His people but that sign fails in comparison to Christ present in the Eucharist because contained in the consecrated host is the body of God who died for our sins, rose from the dead, and ascended to the Father in glory.

The Eucharist is not merely food from God. It is the fruition of God’s enduring love of mankind. In the Eucharist we receive God himself in sacramental form. It is the source and summit of our faith and the fount from which all of the graces of the Church flow.
 
kmuestwin said:
I think that this comparison is a fairly weak simile.

Eucharistic Adoration has much more to do with the reality of the Real Presence of Christ than any typological example that can come from the Old Testament.

Manna and the true bread of life that is Christ Jesus in the Eucharist can certainly be compared. Both are gifts from God. Both are miraculous. Both provide nourishment but the nourishment of the Manna was only physical. The gift of Manna was a sign of God’s enduring love for His people but that sign fails in comparison to Christ present in the Eucharist because contained in the consecrated host is the body of God who died for our sins, rose from the dead, and ascended to the Father in glory.

The Eucharist is not merely food from God. It is the fruition of God’s enduring love of mankind. In the Eucharist we receive God himself in sacramental form. It is the source and summit of our faith and the fount from which all of the graces of the Church flow.
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I like the way you have worded your response. From what I have read and understand I believe your last sentence to be an accurate statement of the Catholic understanding.

Manna and the Eucharist have been compared on this thread and Manna is given a lesser role. It was merely food from God. Wouldn’t it be great if the host appeared miraculously just as the Manna did?
 
Wannano said:
I like the way you have worded your response. From what I have read and understand I believe your last sentence to be an accurate statement of the Catholic understanding.

Manna and the Eucharist have been compared on this thread and Manna is given a lesser role. It was merely food from God. Wouldn’t it be great if the host appeared miraculously just as the Manna did?
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Right, but that kinda gives more credence to adoration, since the Israelites venerated the Manna (kept some in the Holy Ark of the covenant, even though it was food).

I don’t know, It just came to mind, thinking about criticism for keeping some Eucharist aside for veneration, and the reverence given the host in general.
 
Wannano said:
Wouldn’t it be great if the host appeared miraculously just as the Manna did?
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I absolutely do not think so. It would be harder to nourish faith. And we would have many disingenuous clouding the Church. We already have enough. :rolleyes:
 
rcwitness said:
Right, but that kinda gives more credence to adoration, since the Israelites venerated the Manna (kept some in the Holy Ark of the covenant, even though it was food).

I don’t know, It just came to mind, thinking about criticism for keeping some Eucharist aside for veneration, and the reverence given the host in general.
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To say that the Israelites kept Manna in the Ark for veneration is a stretch. God actually instructed them to keep some safe to show future generations the product He provided for them six days a week for 40 years. They did not keep it there on their own accord for veneration.
 
Wannano said:
To say that the Israelites kept Manna in the Ark for veneration is a stretch. God actually instructed them to keep some safe to show future generations the product He provided for them six days a week for 40 years. They did not keep it there on their own accord for veneration.
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I am working, so can I ask a big favor or you, to post the Scripture references for me, and others?
 
rcwitness said:
I absolutely do not think so. It would be harder to nourish faith. And we would have many disingenuous clouding the Church. We already have enough. :rolleyes:
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I don’t follow your thinking. Why would it be harder to nourish faith? If I were an enemy of the Israelites and observed how their God fed them every day miraculously I would want faith in that God. If God truly wanted the “Last Supper” experience to be the origin, fount and summit of our Christian faith and repeated as a ritual to accomplish the receivership of His grace to miraculously provide the “manna” to feed His children would seem to me to be a sign of undisputable proof. Please, please understand I am not feeling vindictive or sacreligious in any way, the thought of that happening would get my attention far more than any other Eucharistic miracle.
 
rcwitness said:
I am working, so can I ask a big favor or you, to post the Scripture references for me, and others?
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Exodus 16 : 32 “And Moses said, This is the thing which the Lord commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt”.

It is interesting that an omer was enough to feed one person for one day and God had instructed them not to hold any over for the next day. Some disobeyed and the next morning what they had saved over night was full of maggots and stunk. Yet, the omer they put away for generations to come preserved perfectly.
 
Wannano said:
Exodus 16 : 32 “And Moses said, This is the thing which the Lord commandeth, Fill an omer of it to be kept for your generations; that they may see the bread wherewith I have fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt”.

It is interesting that an omer was enough to feed one person for one day and God had instructed them not to hold any over for the next day. Some disobeyed and the next morning what they had saved over night was full of maggots and stunk. Yet, the omer they put away for generations to come preserved perfectly.
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Thanks. Yes interesting! He also said this about the bread He multiplied for the 5000:

And when they had eaten their fill, he told his disciples, “Gather up the fragments left over, that nothing may be lost.”13So they gathered them up and filled twelve baskets with fragments from the five barley loaves, left by those who had eaten.*
 
rcwitness said:
Our practice and worship gets challenged on many fronts. This one I’ve heard before, along with questioning why we take care of even crumbs and handling. Also, I’ve heard questions as to why we do not only eat, but venerate.
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Ok, rc, you and I have a repoire with each other that allows me to be blunt and ask a rather crude question. To me it is not a crude question but I can see someone out there might take it as that. I see it as physical reality.

When a Catholic receives the Eucharist he is believing that he just ate the flesh and blood of Jesus in a literal manner. This means Jesus’ Body is now mixed in with bacon and eggs or whatever breakfast or late night pizza consisted of. In due course after digestion all is flushed down the toilet. That process is natural and universal. Considering this why would a few crumbs or an used consecrated host not be respectfully disposed of rather than put in a Tabernacle that people bow to venerate.

Surely this is a question everybody must ponder…?
 
Wannano said:
Ok, rc, you and I have a repoire with each other that allows me to be blunt and ask a rather crude question. To me it is not a crude question but I can see someone out there might take it as that. I see it as physical reality.

When a Catholic receives the Eucharist he is believing that he just ate the flesh and blood of Jesus in a literal manner. This means Jesus’ Body is now mixed in with bacon and eggs or whatever breakfast or late night pizza consisted of. In due course after digestion all is flushed down the toilet. That process is natural and universal. Considering this why would a few crumbs or an used consecrated host not be respectfully disposed of rather than put in a Tabernacle that people bow to venerate.

Surely this is a question everybody must ponder…?
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Here is the link to answer your question regard digestion - forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=308525
 
Wannano said:
Thank you, I sum up what I read as simply “when you have digested the consecrated host you have lost the presence of Jesus.” Is that accurate?
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The accidents of bread and wine no longer are the body and blood of Jesus.

So after digestion or dissolving, the host is no longer the Eucharist.
 
The Spiritual presence of Jesus is more/different than the presence of Him in the Eucharist. The Eucharist is a participation in the heavenly banquet. It is the flesh and blood which a toned for the sins of man and thus reconciling man with God.
 
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