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Too bad. I wish people could celebrate and embrace the differences instead of trying to knock down God. Because ultimately, by not seeing any difference between the ordained sacramental priesthood and the general priesthood we are all called to, one is making less of the Sacraments thereby making less of the visible miracles of God as seen through the Sacraments.

God Bless,
Maria
Exactly!! Our priests tells a story of a gathering with Eastern but mostly Roman Catholic clergy and laity. Several clergy were involved but not one of them was involved in distributing the elements. The only ones who did distribute were laity and women laity at that. He was extraordinarily offended. I would have been as well. Enough with this disgrace to the sacraments!

When I attend mass at a Latin Catholic Church I avoid the lay distributors. If a priest does not administer the sacrament I do not receive.

CDL
 
Yes they can. There have been many people posting on this forum who fail to see any difference in the Ordained Priesthood and the laity and in fact think that the laity should not give to much credence to the Priesthood… I’ve seen posts here that claim that since we are all priests all of our hands are consecrated and that we should all be able to perform all priestly functions.

Yes there is a lot of confusion on the issue, brought about mainly through poor catechisis and the generaly utter failure of the various CCD and RCIA programs to adequitely instruct in the basics of the faith.
Just for the record, I am not one of those people who sees know difference between the ordained and the laity. I do not believe that we should (or could) perform all the functions of the ordained.

Just in case anyone was wondering. 🙂

Keith
 
Just for the record, I am not one of those people who sees know difference between the ordained and the laity. I do not believe that we should (or could) perform all the functions of the ordained.

Just in case anyone was wondering. 🙂

Keith
Why stop there? Why not perform all the functions of God? You will have plenty of support from the science researchers anyway and ambitious politicians.
 
Exactly!! Our priests tells a story of a gathering with Eastern but mostly Roman Catholic clergy and laity. Several clergy were involved but not one of them was involved in distributing the elements. The only ones who did distribute were laity and women laity at that. He was extraordinarily offended. I would have been as well. Enough with this disgrace to the sacraments!

When I attend mass at a Latin Catholic Church I avoid the lay distributors. If a priest does not administer the sacrament I do not receive.

CDL
I try to do that. I mentioned it earlier, and now its really dawing on me…
All this used to bother me more than it does now simply because I have been “growing accustomed to her face” and it has slowly poisoned my thinking having seen it so long.
I need to wake up and stop allowing myself to fall into this deceptive trap.
It is something that wont go away in my parish. In fact, there are more of them now. We were one of the first to have altar girls. One of the Priests calls God she all the time. I am doomed to be in a parish sliding into …
the pits.
It all started with EMHC and altar girls. Now its more.

Lord have mercy!

So yes, I guess I should blame the Priests for not being tough enough, but how tough can a guy be who is making everything gender inclusive?:confused:
 
Sadly its been printed in our bullitens as such too. Bold I dare say
AAAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!

I’m going to give my next set of prayers to St. Monica for the enlightenment of the priests in your parish.
I’m not kidding.
And the prayer to St. Michael for your protection, my friend!
 
AAAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!

I’m going to give my next set of prayers to St. Monica for the enlightenment of the priests in your parish.
I’m not kidding.
And the prayer to St. Michael for your protection, my friend!
You might not like one of the comments on my new thread-
Congrats! Its a She in this section of the forum.
Just a heads up.

Thanks for the prayers!
 
Why stop there? Why not perform all the functions of God? You will have plenty of support from the science researchers anyway and ambitious politicians.
Tequilamac,

I think you misunderstand me . . .and I should have been more clear. I do not think that the laity should perform any of the functions of the ordained other than the ones the Church says that they can by extra-ordinary function.

I believe with the Church that there are differences between the lay and ordained and that these differences are important.

I am not an advocate for lay participation in the role of the ordained. I believe that EHMC’s are overused at mass, and I believe far too many Catholics have been formed poorly in their understanding of priesthood (the ordained and their own universal priesthood)

Keith
 
This thread has been significantly edited to remove a large number of posts (>30) which were off-topic, non-contributory, contentious, rude, inappropriate, and otherwise offensive. Additionally, other posts have been edited for similar reasons. Several individuals have received warnings as a result and more could have been issued.

Discussion, discourse, and debate are appropriate techniques to be employed in posting, but civility and charity consistent with the expectations of polite society are requisite and that is the standard to which posters are held.

Posters are free to agree or disagree with the institution of EMHCs but posts that label these as “an abuse” or describe such as “pretend priests” or otherwise disparage the function in terms of blatant disrespect are unacceptable and those who elect to do so will face consequences.

Joe Monahan
 
People keep saying over and over that the lay people cannot confer a blessing as the priest.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I always thought the difference was that when a EM asked for a blessing, it was just that, a request to God to bless the person, done under the guidance and instructions of the priest.

Whereas the priest blessing was more than just a suggestion.

Anyone can be confused over an issue, but is it really a widespread issue that people think a blessing by a lay person is the same as a blessing by a priest?
I think the issue is that the confusion between the two does occur whether we like it or not. I have a friend who was on the opposite end of “blessing”. She was a cradle catholic who was not confirmed until she was in her thirties. She also had some trying times in her life that had left her with post traumatic stress syndrome.
At the time I’m speaking, the Vatican was not engaged in issueing any controls over the EMHC ministries. EMHC’s existed but no one was paying too much attention, not taking it all that seriously, you know about 15 years ago.
She had an argument with a lady who was in charge of the EMHC at her parish. She went to Mass one day and received the Host from the priest, but when she got to the EMHC with the Precious Blood, the EMHC covered the cup with her hand and shook her head. My friend thought the cup was empty so sat down. Next day same thing. Next day same thing. Even though it was a different EMHC every day. Finally at my suggestion she started to watch and realized that the cup was not empty for the person behind her. She realized suddenly what was happening- that the EMHC’s were refusing to give herthe cup. She was horribly upset. She said it was like she was ex communicated by the laity but not the priest. In her mind the EMHC’s represented the laity. I told her to go to her priest and complain. She did, he looked into it, and the EMHC leader commented that she had no idea what my friend was “talking about but you know Father, she has always been unstable.” Finally I went to Mass with her and sure enough I received the cup and she did not. I went to the priest with her. He said he would look into it. It continued, my friend lost her temper with the woman, they had a big argument in the vestibule. Easter Sunday came and went. No problem at all but then the Bishop was there you see and my friend recieved the cup with no problem. The day after Easter Sunday, she went to daily Mass. I went with her. I have never been so shocked in all my life. When all the regulars came in- all EMHC’s and their friends and family- came in they looked at us, whispered and went and sat down on theo other side of the Church. We literally were the only people on the St. Joseph side. Everyone went to the Mary side. Then the other priest, not the Pastor, but the asst Pastor came to the homily. He was by the way in charge of the EMHC ministry at this parish. His entire homily was reading the riot act at my friend. Even though he did not use her name, his face was red, his voice raised, and looking at her, he talked about how satan used people to attack the holy lay ministers of a parish, to accuse them of wrong doing, that the evil one was attempting to defeat the work of Christ in the EMHC ministry. That enemies of the EMHC’s would lie and slander but they would not win for evil cannot win out over good.
Everyone was staring at us. My friend was in tears. We got up and left before the end of the homily. I tried to stay with my friend but I had to pick up my kids at the preschool. While I was gone, she overdosed.

She lived through her attempt which was sinful admittedly but in her words she could not live with “being excommunicated and going to hell.” Through many effortst on the part of those at another parish I took her to, she came to realize what had happened. But it took years because it had been so traumatic. She suffered for a long time from scruples and even today every once in a while, when she has to go up and receive the cup from a EMHC, her nerve fails her and she just can’t do it.

She received counseling and spiritual direction and is much much better.
Years later she heard that the EMHC had been excommunicated for other outrageous acts.

so…for those who take the Eucharist very, very seriously the poor actions of EMHC can have devestating effects. The EMHC’s do not have the extensive theological training of priests, they cannot hear confessions, and are incredibly human human beings prone to bad judgement not rained in control of their own desires. It is only my opinion, but lay people with no strong theological background should ever be in charge of distributing something so spiritually charged, so emotionally charged as the Real Presence. Never.
 
I think the issue is that the confusion between the two does occur whether we like it or not. I have a friend who was on the opposite end of “blessing”. She was a cradle catholic who was not confirmed until she was in her thirties. She also had some trying times in her life that had left her with post traumatic stress syndrome.

She received counseling and spiritual direction and is much much better.
Years later she heard that the EMHC had been excommunicated for other outrageous acts.
I had to edit out your text due to length.

That was horrible. The one thing she be thankful for though is that God finally showed all who was in the wrong in this situation.
so…for those who take the Eucharist very, very seriously the poor actions of EMHC can have devestating effects. The EMHC’s do not have the extensive theological training of priests, they cannot hear confessions, and are incredibly human human beings prone to bad judgement not rained in control of their own desires. It is only my opinion, but lay people with no strong theological background should ever be in charge of distributing something so spiritually charged, so emotionally charged as the Real Presence. Never
I am not sure I agree that one should have to have a strong theoligical background. I do think that it can be helpful. But I do believe they need to be thouroughly trained and understand what kind of longterm consequences their actions may have on people. I also believe that special courses should be required.

Theological training cannot guareentee that a person will control their own desires, as we have clearly seen in the Church.

But I do believe that special care and instruction should be taken.

While you have not convinced me, you have given me an interesting thought (the theological training). I will mull that over more.

God Bless,
Maria

PS, I am NOT a EM. But as a youth leader, I have encouraged my confirmed youth (highschool age) to seek out the training necessary to become one, under the direction of those in charge. I see it as another way for one to serve Christ in a very intimate way.

:hmmm: I am going to be thinking about your comments for quite awhile.
 
I think it would take more than mere training as well. The fact is if we are honest, many people who are EMHC’s have a level of understanding the same as any other in the pews- sort of a grasp on the Real Presence that does not go any deeper than one might find on a Hallmark After School Special. Many times they are volunteers, not people chosen because of their profound grasp of and respect for the Eucharist. And the fact is there are times for people when mistakes or frivolity or ignorance can just be devastating. For some, a matter of life and death as to whether they receive the Eucharist that day or not.
When an EMHC holds the Precious Blood in his hand, they need to know what that means. Often it is not just the cup they are holding in their hand but the entire future of the next person coming up the line. Their soul, their faith, their emotions everything. As in my post above.
And if the EMHC’s really really understood this, this thread wouldn’t even exist.
 
As an EMHC, what should I do when someone approaches me wanting a blessing?
 
What is the training and licensing requirement for EMHC?

My background is from the Episcopal Church where they are selected and instructed by the rector (pastor) and receive a license signed by the bishop.

Thanks,
Fred
 
What is the training and licensing requirement for EMHC?

My background is from the Episcopal Church where they are selected and instructed by the rector (pastor) and receive a license signed by the bishop.

Thanks,
Fred
My neighbor a block away and in my parish simply signed up and took a one hour overview. That was it.
 
I think it would take more than mere training as well. The fact is if we are honest, many people who are EMHC’s have a level of understanding the same as any other in the pews- sort of a grasp on the Real Presence that does not go any deeper than one might find on a Hallmark After School Special. Many times they are volunteers, not people chosen because of their profound grasp of and respect for the Eucharist. And the fact is there are times for people when mistakes or frivolity or ignorance can just be devastating. For some, a matter of life and death as to whether they receive the Eucharist that day or not.
When an EMHC holds the Precious Blood in his hand, they need to know what that means. Often it is not just the cup they are holding in their hand but the entire future of the next person coming up the line. Their soul, their faith, their emotions everything. As in my post above.
And if the EMHC’s really really understood this, this thread wouldn’t even exist.
I am going to print your words out as well as some of the story and share them with the youth who have decided to become EMHC’s if that is okay with you?

God Bless,
Maria
 
We have just had a recommissioning of all our EMHC’s. We are only commissioned for a 2 year term, to be renewed at the need of the parish. We have to attend a training session in order to be recommissioned.

Someone asked what we are to do if someone asks for a blessing. We were told by the priest who runs the EMHC’s in our parish and by the nun who came from the Archbishop’s office to do the training to bless them using one of the general formulas (May the Peace of Christ be with you, for instance) but not to use the Host to do so, not to use the Trinitarian formula and not to make the Sign of the Cross. Fortunately for me, no one asks those with the Chalice to bless them, so I have never been in this situation. Most people who want a blessing stand in the priest’s line anyway. Our EMHC’s usually only distribute the Blood. We have Acolytes to assist in distributing the Body.

Another asked about refusing the Eucharist and we were told that under NO circumstances were we to deny the Eucharist to anyone who asks. It doesn’t matter if they want to intinct the Host, if we know they are in a state of mortal sin or even if they are not Catholic. As extra-ordinary ministers, we have no authority to deny. If the cup is empty, we have been told to place the chalice on the credence table for purification and return to our seats, not to stand there with our hand over the cup, shaking our heads.

If we want to correct liturgical abuses, we need to educate ALL the laity - gently. With the new English translation due to come out ‘soon’, I think this would be an ideal time to start re-educating about proper liturgy as well as the new responses. Wrap it all into one program,and not saying, 'You’re doing it wrong!" but instead, ‘This is the way it is done’.
 
What is the training and licensing requirement for EMHC?

My background is from the Episcopal Church where they are selected and instructed by the rector (pastor) and receive a license signed by the bishop.

Thanks,
Fred
I was trained in the necessary procedures and the reason and purpose for those procedures. We had many prayers and were commissioned by the pastor.

It’s really short-sighted for those who have never been EMHCs to pretend they know all about the process.
 
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