"Eucharistic Minister"

[Savio]

The Protestant conspiracy is proven right here folks!

LOL!!!

That made me laugh. Thank you, and thank you for the scripture.

I may need more than a bible for this though. I may need something heavier.

Haha, I imagined some moderator saying, “Take your Bible-thumping elsewhere, you sola scriptura heathen!”

I’m missing something. What’s the problem with this? What should they be called?

If I understand correctly, they are simply extraordinary ministers of the Holy Eucharist. Only the priest can perform the consecration, and thus he is the only true “Eucharistic Minister.”

Standard disclaimer: I am not a Catholic at this point, so everything I say is false until proven correct by three bishops and a nun.:whacky:

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Nothing to get upset about. This is how it is used in day to day use almost everywhere. Nobody wants to use the long exact term (EMHC). It is a minor thing in the big picture of things.

It is a good ministry and there are good people involved in it.

 

[Hellisreal]

Oh my. I guess Savio ought to be in charge of some ADULT FORMATION here at CAF. He/She has my vote.

This sucks that fellow catholics dont even get it. I am really depressed now.

 

[water]

I understand the term being used is wrong and it needs to be corrected; however, to me, one who is so mad about this term being used is having even a bigger problem than problem of the term itself.

 

[PaixGioiaAmor]

I have mentioned this before, and now its got me really HOT.

Our parish bulliten has this listed as a ministry!

Bad enough, they have done this all along, but now, its IN PRINT.

I am so FLIPPING MAD and need to report my pastor the sorry *&^% who I am very ANGRY with and see what happens.

THE PRIEST IS THE ONLY EUCHARISTIC MINISTER PEOPLE!

I am getting so tired of this *&^%

Calm down.

I am against the rampant use of lay extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist.

But - on the larger scale - since the practice of using them and listing them as simply “Eucharistic Ministers” is so rampant in our culture everywhere and most likely not going anywhere soon - this, in the bigger picture, is not something to get this upset about.

And please, talk to your doctor. Anti-anxiety medication can work wonders.

 

[Hellisreal]

I understand the term being used is wrong and it needs to be corrected; however, to me, one who is so mad about this term being used is having even a bigger problem than problem of the term itself.

This, is hardly the first issue that has gotten me to this point of anger.
If one thinks this is the only problem, one would be mistaken.

Its called the icing on the cake. Its the one more thing that breaks the camel’s back.

 

[water]

This, is hardly the first issue that has gotten me to this point of anger.
If one thinks this is the only problem, one would be mistaken.

Its called the icing on the cake. Its the one more thing that breaks the camel’s back.

Of course there are different problems, you are not the only one who sees it. People react differently to problems. Being mad might get other attentions but it might not help oneself.

 

[Hellisreal]

I never even made any objection of the use/possible overuse of them in this thread.
Since when is “everyone is doing it” a reason to be okay with anything?

I could care less if every parish in the USA was doing it- it would not change the fact they are not supposed to be doing it.

Calm down.

I am against the rampant use of lay extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist.

But - on the larger scale - since the practice of using them and listing them as simply “Eucharistic Ministers” is so rampant in our culture everywhere and most likely not going anywhere soon - this, in the bigger picture, is not something to get this upset about.

And please, talk to your doctor. Anti-anxiety medication can work wonders.

 

[Hellisreal]

Of course there are different problems, you are not the only one who sees it. People react differently to problems.

And my way is to keep calling my pastor to have a meeting about it.

This is all I can do. I can not ignore it, and complain without trying to make some attempt to reason with him first.

I tend to think most people dont make any effort to meet with their pastors when they see these things.

Being pro-active is much better than washing ones hands.

And anger is a human emotion, its real its fine and I get sick and tired of people acting like anger is sooo horrrrible. It passes. I hardly think there is a single mental health professional out there that would have the audacity to make a diagnosis of my need for medication via these posts on CAF.
But, of course, we have the peanut gallery pretending to be mental health professionals here now as well as questioning why this practice is even wrong.
(not you but someone else who suggested medication, as if they are a doctor and can say these things)

Good grief.

 

[water]

And my way is to keep calling my pastor to have a meeting about it.

This is all I can do. I can not ignore it, and complain without trying to make some attempt to reason with him first.

I tend to think most people dont make any effort to meet with their pastors when they see these things.

Being pro-active is much better than washing ones hands.

And anger is a human emotion, its real its fine and I get sick and tired of people acting like anger is sooo horrrrible. It passes. I hardly think there is a single mental health professional out there that would have the audacity to make a diagnosis of my need for medication via these posts on CAF.
But, of course, we have the peanut gallery pretending to be mental health professionals here now as well as questioning why this practice is even wrong.
(not you but someone else who suggested medication, as if they are a doctor and can say these things)

Good grief.

Being mad might get other attentions but it certainly is not helping oneself.

 

[Hellisreal]

Being mad might get other attentions but it certainly is not helping oneself.

If all I was doing was being mad, then I would agree.

As you can see, I am Doing something about it., so I dont agree with you.

If I was not mad in seeing this, I probobly would be lukewarm or complacent about the whole matter, much like the tons of parish members (lots of them too) at my parish who apparently- are not terribly bothered by this or the man would be swamped with calls like mine and it would not be ignored any more. So, I am assuming, and could be wrong- but it appears there is not enough of an outrage to this. I would like to hope I am not the only one calling to ask for a meeting, but- I guess we will find out when I get the meeting wont we?

He cant just ignore me forever. I have the right to ask him about this and he may ignore me, but then I can go a step up.

 

[water]

If I was not mad in seeing this, I probobly would be lukewarm or complacent about the whole matter, much like the tons of parish members (lots of them too) at my parish who apparently- are not terribly bothered by this or the man would be swamped with calls like mine and it would not be ignored any more. So, I am assuming, and could be wrong- but it appears there is not enough of an outrage to this.

Yes, you are wrong for assuming and judging others. The result of being angry can be unhealthy for one soul no matter in what situation. I know how angry had turned me into. Anyhow, I don’t think I should discuss further on this.

 

[Hellisreal]

Just so you know- its against forum rules to give medical advice.
I am telling you this so you dont get someone upset and as a result get reported, wich you dont have to worry about with me, because I am not offended by it- just giving you a heads up.

Calm down.

I am against the rampant use of lay extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist.

But - on the larger scale - since the practice of using them and listing them as simply “Eucharistic Ministers” is so rampant in our culture everywhere and most likely not going anywhere soon - this, in the bigger picture, is not something to get this upset about.

And please, talk to your doctor. Anti-anxiety medication can work wonders.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I have mentioned this before, and now its got me really HOT.

Our parish bulliten has this listed as a ministry!

Bad enough, they have done this all along, but now, its IN PRINT.

I am so FLIPPING MAD and need to report my pastor the sorry *&^% who I am very ANGRY with and see what happens.

THE PRIEST IS THE ONLY EUCHARISTIC MINISTER PEOPLE!

I am getting so tired of this *&^%

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I think you’re getting upset over nothing.

Its really nothing more than a figure of speech where saying Eucharistic Minister is easier than Extraodrinary Minister of Holy Communion.

Also the fact that EMHC’s are so commonly needed, it has become a part of parish life and some form of organization of EMHC’s is needed to let those who are serving in this capacity, know what Mass they will be needed at.

Jim

 

[Hellisreal]

Well, lets see. What part of the following has changed since this document has been put out?

The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion
[154.] As has already been recalled, “the only minister who can confect the Sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest”.[254] Hence the name “minister of the Eucharist” belongs properly to the Priest alone. Moreover, also by reason of their sacred Ordination, the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are the Bishop, the Priest and the Deacon,[255] to whom it belongs therefore to administer Holy Communion to the lay members of Christ’s faithful during the celebration of Mass. In this way their ministerial office in the Church is fully and accurately brought to light, and the sign value of the Sacrament is made complete.
[155.] In addition to the ordinary ministers there is the formally instituted acolyte, who by virtue of his institution is an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion even outside the celebration of Mass. If, moreover, reasons of real necessity prompt it, another lay member of Christ’s faithful may also be delegated by the diocesan Bishop, in accordance with the norm of law,[256] for one occasion or for a specified time, and an appropriate formula of blessing may be used for the occasion. This act of appointment, however, does not necessarily take a liturgical form, nor, if it does take a liturgical form, should it resemble sacred Ordination in any way. Finally, in special cases of an unforeseen nature, permission can be given for a single occasion by the Priest who presides at the celebration of the Eucharist.[257]
[156.] **This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known, that is to say, that of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, and not “special minister of Holy Communion” nor “extraordinary minister of the Eucharist” nor “special minister of the Eucharist”, by which names the meaning of this function is unnecessarily and improperly broadened.
**vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html

“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.” -
GK Chesterton

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I think you’re getting upset over nothing.

Its really nothing more than a figure of speech where saying Eucharistic Minister is easier than Extraodrinary Minister of Holy Communion.

Also the fact that EMHC’s are so commonly needed, it has become a part of parish life and some form of organization of EMHC’s is needed to let those who are serving in this capacity, know what Mass they will be needed at.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well, lets see. What part of the following has changed since this document has been put out?

The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion
[154.] As has already been recalled, “the only minister who can confect the Sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest”.[254] Hence the name “minister of the Eucharist” belongs properly to the Priest alone. Moreover, also by reason of their sacred Ordination, the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are the Bishop, the Priest and the Deacon,[255] to whom it belongs therefore to administer Holy Communion to the lay members of Christ’s faithful during the celebration of Mass. In this way their ministerial office in the Church is fully and accurately brought to light, and the sign value of the Sacrament is made complete.
[155.] In addition to the ordinary ministers there is the formally instituted acolyte, who by virtue of his institution is an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion even outside the celebration of Mass. If, moreover, reasons of real necessity prompt it, another lay member of Christ’s faithful may also be delegated by the diocesan Bishop, in accordance with the norm of law,[256] for one occasion or for a specified time, and an appropriate formula of blessing may be used for the occasion. This act of appointment, however, does not necessarily take a liturgical form, nor, if it does take a liturgical form, should it resemble sacred Ordination in any way. Finally, in special cases of an unforeseen nature, permission can be given for a single occasion by the Priest who presides at the celebration of the Eucharist.[257]
[156.] **This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known, that is to say, that of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, and not “special minister of Holy Communion” nor “extraordinary minister of the Eucharist” nor “special minister of the Eucharist”, by which names the meaning of this function is unnecessarily and improperly broadened.
**vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccdds/documents/rc_con_ccdds_doc_20040423_redemptionis-sacramentum_en.html

“Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.” -
GK Chesterton

Its a matter of the literal definition of the term, verses the commonly used figure of speech, to describe who in the parish is serving in the capacity of Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion.

I don’t think anyone confuses the function of a priest, with an EMHC, when the term Eucharistic Minister is used.

Jim

 

[Hellisreal]

I missed the memo that said:

“Figures of speech are fine”

Got one handy?

And, as far as counting on people not to be confused-

Have you read the threads here at CAF on any given day on any topic?

LOL!

MASS confusion! (No pun intended)

Its a matter of the literal definition of the term, verses the commonly used figure of speech, to describe who in the parish is serving in the capacity of Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion.

I don’t think anyone confuses the function of a priest, with an EMHC, when the term Eucharistic Minister is used.

Jim

 

[Savio]

Oh my. I guess Savio ought to be in charge of some ADULT FORMATION here at CAF. He/She has my vote.

This sucks that fellow catholics dont even get it. I am really depressed now.

Ha ha, but I’m still a Protestant heretic.

I am against the rampant use of lay extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist.

I can understand the need in very large parishes, but why do most parishes think it is so necessary? They made do without them before Vatican II, so why are they needed today?

And my way is to keep calling my pastor to have a meeting about it.

This is all I can do. I can not ignore it, and complain without trying to make some attempt to reason with him first.

I tend to think most people dont make any effort to meet with their pastors when they see these things.

Being pro-active is much better than washing ones hands.

And anger is a human emotion, its real its fine and I get sick and tired of people acting like anger is sooo horrrrible. It passes. I hardly think there is a single mental health professional out there that would have the audacity to make a diagnosis of my need for medication via these posts on CAF.
But, of course, we have the peanut gallery pretending to be mental health professionals here now as well as questioning why this practice is even wrong.
(not you but someone else who suggested medication, as if they are a doctor and can say these things)

Good grief.

I agree completely. I just urge you to think carefully before you act.

By the way, thank you for posting that reference. It proves your case beyond a doubt.

 

[Hellisreal]

Savio-

dont get me going!

You are not a heretic. You are discerning.

Dont make me pull out more papal documents now…



Sorry I neglected in my rant to welcome you to…

Well, to welcome you to reality, I guess.

We can not judge the Church on its members, and if we did- we would be in deep doo doo.

But- we can have faith that in spite of anything a sinful member does-

It will not change the fact that the Church is faithful-
even if its members are not. (I am not implying I am faithful in any imagined way)

I hope I have not hindered you in any way from continuing your discernment-
But- I also feel its best you see this now-

Remember- Jesus chose Judas to be an apostle. He knew Judas would betray him (read John)
(bet you know this but, I just like to add it because I forget this sometimes)

God bless you and

I was not kidding about formation, have you considered teaching RCIA once you convert?

Not a bad idea if you think its for you…

I hope you will pray about it, you know I will.

The Church needs good teachers now. More than ever.

 

[Brendan]

Its a matter of the literal definition of the term, verses the commonly used figure of speech, to describe who in the parish is serving in the capacity of Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion.

I don’t think anyone confuses the function of a priest, with an EMHC, when the term Eucharistic Minister is used.

Jim

It doesn’t matter if it’s a ‘common figure of speech’ or not.

We have been instructed not to use it in reference to an EMHC, so don’t. Simple.