Eucharistic Miracle at Saint James Church in Dallas, TX

  • Thread starter Thread starter Writer
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
40.png
thistle:
I find it sad when people so quickly start talking about a miracle having taken place. Nobody should assume this is a miracle until proven false. It should be assumed to be doubtful until proven a miracle!
While I’m sure many would like to see something miraculous our faith fortunately does not require or depend on miracles. Our Lord himself said to Thomas “blessed are they who believe, yet have not seen.”
There are plenty of miracles that we should pay more attention to: a child born who should have died, a sinner returning to the Church after many years away, etc.
I think most of us are just interested at this point…trying to understand what may have taken place. While I am also skeptical in nature, I think it is important we be receptive to the possibilities of miracles around us. If we become too incredulous or disbelieving of even this possibility, we’re placing God in a box and saying that He can only act a certain way. Miracles are just like ripples in water in that they are reminders that we serve a living God, a God who can reach His hand into our physical world whenever He desires to do so. As long as these kinds of discussion don’t distract us from the more important elements of our faith or become too sensationlized (especially before the Church has investigated), I think we are simply living what it means to be “made in the image of God”.
 
D Quintero:
Here is a video miracle?!
I found that news video to be very irreverent. Regardless of the outcome of this investigation, be it a “miracle” or not, this is still a consecrated host we are talking about, which is, irrespective of any other miracle, the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. The caption “incredible edible miracle” was too much for me. I hope someone from San Antonio complains about the disrespectful nature of this coverage.
 
40.png
thistle:
I find it sad when people so quickly start talking about a miracle having taken place. Nobody should assume this is a miracle until proven false. It should be assumed to be doubtful until proven a miracle!
While I’m sure many would like to see something miraculous our faith fortunately does not require or depend on miracles. Our Lord himself said to Thomas “blessed are they who believe, yet have not seen.”
There are plenty of miracles that we should pay more attention to: a child born who should have died, a sinner returning to the Church after many years away, etc.
This is true… I think that it might be human nature to want to have our faith in something manifested as physical, visible reality. Even the aposltes with Thomas got to see their faith confirmed as truth. But like you say a person’s faith shouldn’t rely on miracles. Perhaps if this turns out to be a legitimate miracle non-Catholics might take another more serious look at the Catholic faith and “stale” Catholics might find their faith renewed.
 
40.png
MattB:
I found that news video to be very irreverent. Regardless of the outcome of this investigation, be it a “miracle” or not, this is still a consecrated host we are talking about, which is, irrespective of any other miracle, the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ. The caption “incredible edible miracle” was too much for me. I hope someone from San Antonio complains about the disrespectful nature of this coverage.
It was horrible if not contemptable…
 
40.png
MulusChristi:
And the priest had the host suspended in water for 30 days? What possessed him to do that? Why didn’t he manually dissolve the host into the sacrarium?
He put it in water because that is what you are supposed to do when a host is contaminated. By disolving it in water, the true presence leaves. Why did he use a glass instead of a sacrarium? Dissolution can take a while… he may have needed to use the sacrarium for a later mass. What he can do is let the host disolve in the glass, and then poor it out down the sacrarium later.

Josh
 
“My flesh is real food;my blood is real drink. Wgoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood dwells continually in me an I dwell in him.” – John 6:56-57

This is cool actually. We just got at our parish this last Sunday the pamphlet on the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano. According to the pamphlet, it wasn’t a priest, it was a monk steep deep into science and his faith was dwindling in God when the miracle occured. Using science today. Could we get a sample from Lanciano and compare the DNA with the alleged transformation at St. James?

Just a thought,

emp
[EDIT:] PS That would satisfy me if it were a match.
 
empacae said:
“My flesh is real food;my blood is real drink. Wgoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood dwells continually in me an I dwell in him.” – John 6:56-57

This is cool actually. We just got at our parish this last Sunday the pamphlet on the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano. According to the pamphlet, it wasn’t a priest, it was a monk steep deep into science and his faith was dwindling in God when the miracle occured. Using science today. Could we get a sample from Lanciano and compare the DNA with the alleged transformation at St. James?

Just a thought,

emp
[EDIT:] PS That would satisfy me if it were a match.

One of the earlier posts linked to a site that asserted that the more modern-day miracles have all proven to be the same blood type (AB, I think it said), and that the flesh was determined to be from the area of the heart. I just don’t know…
 
Communion “host” in Dallas church grew fungi, bacteria naturally

By MARTY PERRY

DALLAS. A “host” kept in a jar of water for four weeks grew fungus and bacterial colonies in a natural process, a laboratory report concluded about an incident in a local parish church that created public speculation.

A March 23 letter from Dallas Bishop Charles Grahmann to the pastor of St. James Parish relayed that what some were calling a ‘miracle’ of a host “contains nothing of a supernatural nature.”

The letter to Msgr. Mario Magbanua states: “At my request the object you submitted to me, around which there was heightened publicity, was presented to Dr. Marcy Brown Marsden, chairman and associate professor of biology, University of Dallas, and Dr. Frank Doe of the same department, for tentative identification and characterization of the object.”

The bishop said that after analysis was done he was provided with their conclusion.

They told the bishop: “We conclude that the object is a combination of fungal mycelia and bacterial colonies that have been incubated within the aquatic environment of the glass during the four-week period in which it was stored in the open air.”

The bishop further wrote: ““From this conclusion the phenomenon was of the natural order and contains nothing of a supernatural nature. Thus, you need to remove yourself from any further activity surrounding this matter and its exaggerated claims.”

The incident began about a month ago when a young boy received the Eucharist at Mass and then became sick in the restroom. Ushers who checked on him found the intact host in the bin.

The ushers reportedly summoned Msgr. Magbanua, who came to retrieve the host. He put the host in water to dissolve, where it remained unseen until March 19. Its appearance had changed, viewers said.

Within hours people were coming to the church to see the host, which is located in a low-income area and has approximately 2,000 registered parishioners.

Fueled by telephone and e-mail stories saying a miracle had occurred, as well as media reports, curious scores of the faithful hoping to see something extraordinary began to show up.

Among those was Shirley Vilfordi, a member of St. Rita Parish in Dallas. She was among those who suggested people should not be too quick to rush to conclusions, and thanked those who took quick action to discover the truth.

“We praise God for our beloved church who wants to investigate these things thoroughly rather than falsely mislead the faithful,” Vilfordi said as the investigation was ongoing.

There have been other cases in past years when a host received fungal and/or bacteria contamination when it was not properly consumed and/or disposed.

Church officials said the matter is now closed and called on faithful to end any further speculation.

03/23/2006
Copyright (c) 2006 Texas Catholic
 
THIS is why Jesus gave us bishops.

One of the arguments which Protestants use against the Eucharist is that it is cannibalism. These kinds of miracles give me the creeps because it makes the Eucharist literally cannibalism. :eek:

I believe without needing such graphic demonstrations.

On the other hand, Eucharistic miracles have appeared in the Catholic and Orthodox churches periodically, so maybe God’s plan is bigger than my prejudices.

In this case, the judge has ruled.
 
Larry B:
Communion “host” in Dallas church grew fungi, bacteria naturally

By MARTY PERRY

DALLAS. A “host” kept in a jar of water for four weeks grew fungus and bacterial colonies in a natural process, a laboratory report concluded about an incident in a local parish church that created public speculation.

A March 23 letter from Dallas Bishop Charles Grahmann to the pastor of St. James Parish relayed that what some were calling a ‘miracle’ of a host “contains nothing of a supernatural nature.”

The letter to Msgr. Mario Magbanua states: “At my request the object you submitted to me, around which there was heightened publicity, was presented to Dr. Marcy Brown Marsden, chairman and associate professor of biology, University of Dallas, and Dr. Frank Doe of the same department, for tentative identification and characterization of the object.”

The bishop said that after analysis was done he was provided with their conclusion.

They told the bishop: “We conclude that the object is a combination of fungal mycelia and bacterial colonies that have been incubated within the aquatic environment of the glass during the four-week period in which it was stored in the open air.”

The bishop further wrote: ““From this conclusion the phenomenon was of the natural order and contains nothing of a supernatural nature. Thus, you need to remove yourself from any further activity surrounding this matter and its exaggerated claims.”

The incident began about a month ago when a young boy received the Eucharist at Mass and then became sick in the restroom. Ushers who checked on him found the intact host in the bin.

The ushers reportedly summoned Msgr. Magbanua, who came to retrieve the host. He put the host in water to dissolve, where it remained unseen until March 19. Its appearance had changed, viewers said.

Within hours people were coming to the church to see the host, which is located in a low-income area and has approximately 2,000 registered parishioners.

Fueled by telephone and e-mail stories saying a miracle had occurred, as well as media reports, curious scores of the faithful hoping to see something extraordinary began to show up.

Among those was Shirley Vilfordi, a member of St. Rita Parish in Dallas. She was among those who suggested people should not be too quick to rush to conclusions, and thanked those who took quick action to discover the truth.

“We praise God for our beloved church who wants to investigate these things thoroughly rather than falsely mislead the faithful,” Vilfordi said as the investigation was ongoing.

There have been other cases in past years when a host received fungal and/or bacteria contamination when it was not properly consumed and/or disposed.

Church officials said the matter is now closed and called on faithful to end any further speculation.

03/23/2006
Copyright (c) 2006 Texas Catholic
At least we know. Thank you for posting this, and thank you for everyone’s participation. This thread appears to be closed.
 
Guess that settles it,

Nothing supernatural about it, case closed.
 
40.png
Mordocai:
what i wanna know, is why did the boy spit out the Eucharist??
and why did the priest follow him?
Hi Modocai…wondering the same thing, also although I am not upmarket on Church regulations etc., I think the priest should have consumed the Host, not put it in water!!!
I’m a skeptic!

Barb
 
40.png
BarbaraTherese:
Hi Modocai…wondering the same thing, also although I am not upmarket on Church regulations etc., I think the priest should have consumed the Host, not put it in water!!!
I’m a skeptic!

Barb
:bigyikes:

Yuck
It has come to my attention that the priest from St. James stated in his homily on Monday evening that the boy threw up in a waste basket. The host was not “spit” into a trash can as the news article reported.
Originally posted by: Larry B
I think that would be extremely unhealthy.

Pax et Veritas

John
 
Yuck

I think that would be extremely unhealthy.

Pax et Veritas

John
[/quote]

…I agree with you! and amend my statement. I did realize quite some time after posting that my statement was an extremely unhealthy one and I thank you for pointing this out. It would be interesting to know what the correct procedure would be…

Barb
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top