Eucharistic miracle in France?

[Micosil]

So, I’ve found this video online of a strange thing that happened during Mass celebrated by the deceased Cardinal Billé.

Short video

As you can see, during the Epiclesis, it seems like the host does something odd; it either starts levitating, or gets “inflated”, or becomes concave and it makes it looks like it’s floating…

This is the full video.

Some comments of my own:

1. The host does what it does during the Epiclesis, and not during the Words of Consecration; my understanding is that transubstantiation happens during Consecration and not the Epiclesis?
2. Neither the celebrant, nor the clergy next to him, seem to react as it happens.
3. It seems to wobble a bit as the host is raised, somehow suggesting a natural cause, as if the upper half gets detached from the lower half and it wobbles over the paten.
4. This was apparently a live televised mass, so a deliberate hoax involving the clergy (which involved two Cardinals who would not put their reputation at risk like that) is extremely unlikely; and if it were a hoax, they’d feign shock/surprise, but they don’t seem to react, as said before.
5. Video editing is also unlikely because the live raw recording would immediately disprove it.

So, what do you guys think?

 

[CB_Catholic]

I saw nothing unusual here. The whole film is rather grainy and all the vessels are jiggling around too. I think it is just a badly done video. No way would I call this a miracle.

 

[thistle]

So, I’ve found this video online of a strange thing that happened during Mass celebrated by the deceased Cardinal Billé.

Short video

As you can see, during the Epiclesis, it seems like the host does something odd; it either starts levitating, or gets “inflated”, or becomes concave and it makes it looks like it’s floating…

This is the full video.

Some comments of my own:

1. The host does what it does during the Epiclesis, and not during the Words of Consecration; my understanding is that transubstantiation happens during Consecration and not the Epiclesis?
2. Neither the celebrant, nor the clergy next to him, seem to react as it happens.
3. It seems to wobble a bit as the host is raised, somehow suggesting a natural cause, as if the upper half gets detached from the lower half and it wobbles over the paten.
4. This was apparently a live televised mass, so a deliberate hoax involving the clergy (which involved two Cardinals who would not put their reputation at risk like that) is extremely unlikely; and if it were a hoax, they’d feign shock/surprise, but they don’t seem to react, as said before.
5. Video editing is also unlikely because the live raw recording would immediately disprove it.

So, what do you guys think?

Absolutely nothing unusual going on. Nothing is floating, wobbling or whatever.

 

[boomerang]

Screen shots from a better quality video:

BEGINNING OF CONSECRATION:

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DURING EPICLESIS. NOTICE RIGHT SIDE OF HOST STARTS TO LIFT OFF THE PATEN

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FULLY ELEVATED

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SIGN OF THE CROSS. YOU CAN SEE PRIEST’S VESTMENTS BETWEEN HOSTS

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STILL ELEVATED

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Apparently this was a real event. I found a document from the TV studio which filmed the Mass. It was televised on a show called “The Day of the Lord.” Here is my (bad) translation of their letter addressing this “prodigy.”:

Sir,
We have received your letter on November 7, 1999 Mass in Lourdes with the Meeting Plenary of the bishops of France.
We actually found by viewing the tape of this Mass the surprising phenomenon; 'host who raised slightly at the epiclesis until the end of the Eucharistic prayer.
We confirm that this phenomenon does not result from any editing or any technical manipulation.
Thanking you for the interest you have shown to our transmission, we send you the assurance of our cordial feelings and devotion.

There were also several letters from the Archdiocese that I found that confirmed that they were aware of the phenomenon, but didn’t care to make a comment. I also read that Cardinal Bille’ told his family that he saw the host elevate but chose not to say anything and just go on as if nothing happened. If I remember right, the other two concelebrants saw it also. They all chose not to make an issue of it.

 

[phil19034]

wow… this pictures are pretty amazing.

 

[Kmon23]

So, I’ve found this video online of a strange thing that happened during Mass celebrated by the deceased Cardinal Billé.

Short video

As you can see, during the Epiclesis, it seems like the host does something odd; it either starts levitating, or gets “inflated”, or becomes concave and it makes it looks like it’s floating…

This is the full video.

Some comments of my own:

1. The host does what it does during the Epiclesis, and not during the Words of Consecration; my understanding is that transubstantiation happens during Consecration and not the Epiclesis?

For your first question, I don’t see this as an issue as when Transubstantiation occurs. From a Catholic point of view, when it occurs (at words of consecration) is not officially a declared dogma or doctrine. As far as I am concerned, this is the general belief of the theologians, but not definitively so as fact.

In the Eastern tradition, it is believed the change occurs during the Epiclesis, not at the words of consecration.

And the pictures are too grainy for me to make out correctly, but hopefully I will see the video soon. If it is a miracle, glory to God.

 

[thistle]

Screen shots from a better quality video:

BEGINNING OF CONSECRATION:

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq11/zekez/cropped 1_zpsurni2bkz.jpg

DURING EPICLESIS. NOTICE RIGHT SIDE OF HOST STARTS TO LIFT OFF THE PATEN

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq11/zekez/cropped 2_zpsudv82ykf.png

FULLY ELEVATED

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq11/zekez/cropped 3_zpspcuiq4dj.jpg

SIGN OF THE CROSS. YOU CAN SEE PRIEST’S VESTMENTS BETWEEN HOSTS

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq11/zekez/cropped 5_zpslke9di5e.png

STILL ELEVATED

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq11/zekez/cropped 6_zpsozijhxfs.jpg

Apparently this was a real event. I found a document from the TV studio which filmed the Mass. It was televised on a show called “The Day of the Lord.” Here is my (bad) translation of their letter addressing this “prodigy.”:

There were also several letters from the Archdiocese that I found that confirmed that they were aware of the phenomenon, but didn’t care to make a comment. I also read that Cardinal Bille’ told his family that he saw the host elevate but chose not to say anything and just go on as if nothing happened. If I remember right, the other two concelebrants saw it also. They all chose not to make an issue of it.

There is no miracle here. Its a bad quality video creating a mirage effect. Nothing unusual happening.