Eucharistic Miracle

[Larry1700]

A few days ago I saw a thread somewhere on the catholic.com forums related to a Eucharistic miracle, and a day or so later I received an email from a friend with pictures. I’m trying to find the thread, but have had no luck.

Based on the email from my friend, the details are as follows:

1. The event occured in the Vatican on February 28, 2010.
2. One of the pictures had the following text underneath it: “Arzobispo Giovanni Bulaitis, Pro-Nuncio Apostolico de Korea, Emeritus, celebrando Misa asistida por Julia Kim”

There’s a picture showing a lady with a mantilla receiving communion, and it appears that the host has changed into a bloody piece of flesh. There are several closeup shots of her mouth.

In one of the pictures, there’s a guy with a videocamera. I’d like to see the video, but can’t find it using Google.

I’m curious as to why there was a videocamera readily available when it happened. Perhaps it was a special occasion, or perhaps it’s simply because many tourists to the Vatican carry videocameras.

I would appreciate it if someone could help me find the thread, comment on the videocamera, and let me know of any corroboration by the bishop or Church officials.

 

[gt8952b]

Interesting. This is news to me - I need to read more about this. A simple web search lead me to this site: marys-touch.com/

It appears that this woman claims to have been receiving messages. There seems to be a testimonial from the Archbishop.

Thanks for posting this - I plan to read more.

 

[rivera01]

quick youtube search and found this video:

youtube.com/watch?v=bMtKobWQB-0&feature=related

I don’t know why the person who made this video, would put Amazing Grace as music for this video, but thats beside the point. It seems that Julia Kim has been a witness to numerous Eucharistic Miracles.

 

[InLight247]

This is long, but interesting and worth reading.

marys-touch.com/truth/rome2010_albino.htm

 

[NPC]

I suggest you read the decree issued by the Catholic bishop of Kwangju which relates to Julia Kim (Youn). HERE

It states:

I, Andreas Choi Chang-mou, A rchbishop of Kwangju, exercising this episcopal office according to the gracious concern and mandate of the Roman Pontiff, the successor of Peter, and thanking God always for His mercy and grace, promulgate, after serious reflection, the following decree for the unity and communion of the ecclesiastical community (Cf. Can. 391):

First , I judge that ‘those who believe in Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ no longer have the intention to be in unity and harmony with the Catholic Church…

…I declare that the clergy, religious, or laity who preside over or attend the celebration of the sacraments or sacramentals, against my prohibition, at any alleged ‘oratory’ or the ‘hill of Our Lady in Naju’ incur a latae sententiae excommunication (Cf. Can. 1336,1364). In doing so they are disobeying the pastoral directives and judgement of the Ordinary and they are thereby breaching Canon Law (Cf. Can. 1369,1371,1373) and destroying ecclesiastical unity and communion. This decree binds all the clergy, religious, and laity in the Archdiocese of Kwangju as well as all the faithful in the Catholic Church.

Second, I confirm that Fr. Aloysius Chang Hong-bin, a priest of the Archdiocese of Kwangju, no longer has the intention to be in unity and harmony with the archdiocesan presbyterium , because he claims that ‘Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena’ are a ‘private revelation’ and ‘miracles’ and that following them is a matter of choice that the faithful make in accord with their ‘conscience’. Also on several occasions he has not observed the solemn promise of obedience to his Ordinary that he made at ordination.

Aloysius Chang Hong-bin no longer possesses the title and rights of a priest of the Archdiocese of Kwangju, and all ‘common faculties attaching to diocesan priests in Korea’ previously bestowed by sacred ordination are revoked.

If anyone wishes to look into the issue of Eucharistic miracles, I suggest they read “Eucharistic Miracles” by Joan Carroll-Cruz (published by TAN books), which includes accounts of several Eucharistic miracles which have actually been approved by the Catholic Church.

 

[Larry1700]

If anyone wishes to look into the issue of Eucharistic miracles, I suggest they read “Eucharistic Miracles” by Joan Carroll-Cruz (published by TAN books), which includes accounts of several Eucharistic miracles which have actually been approved by the Catholic Church.

Thanks, for the link to the Archbishop’s statement, NPC. As for the “Eucharistic Miracles” book, I have read it, and it was wohderful! Very moving.

 

[gt8952b]

Thanks for looking out for us NPC! God bless you!

 

[NPC]

Thanks for looking out for us NPC! God bless you!

With so many accounts of miracles, apparitions, stigmata, &c. &c., one has to be very careful. It isn’t unreasonable, if one is in doubt about the authenticity of a phenomenon, to contact the diocese in which the “supernatural” events are (supposedly) taking place, and ask if the bishop has made a ruling. If the bishop hasn’t made a ruling either way, it is wiser to stick to the ones that the Church accepts as genuine and not contrary to faith and morals. If the Good Lord wishes to manifest his power through a Eucharistic miracle or an apparition, then we must trust that the Church, guided by the Spirit of Truth, will be led to the right decision.

Besides all else, as intriguing as Eucharistic miracles might be, we get to witness a Eucharistic miracle at each and every Mass - a miracle that, even though our senses cannot discern its authenticity, our faith-filled souls know to be true.

 

[rivera01]

Thanks for the info NPC. Not that I am a devotee of what goes on with Julia Kim. But I did read the letter that you attached. To me it seems that the bishops ruling was not because the “miracles”, “private revelations”, or “apparitons” were fraudulent. His decree of excomunication was because of disobediance, not because the Church has made an official ruling of these matters. But, is one to disbelieve that the miracles that may have occured there? Or do they have any lesser value because they chose to disobey the Archbishops directives? I am asking these question, not because I am opposed to the archbishops official ruling. I know that we must be sumissive to the magesterium, and I do not see that the archbishop was asking something difficult to comply with. But I wanted to hear everyones opinion on this matter.

 

[NPC]

Thanks for the info NPC. Not that I am a devotee of what goes on with Julia Kim. But I did read the letter that you attached. To me it seems that the bishops ruling was not because the “miracles”, “private revelations”, or “apparitons” were fraudulent. His decree of excomunication was because of disobediance, not because the Church has made an official ruling of these matters. But, is one to disbelieve that the miracles that may have occured there? Or do they have any lesser value because they chose to disobey the Archbishops directives? I am asking these question, not because I am opposed to the archbishops official ruling. I know that we must be sumissive to the magesterium, and I do not see that the archbishop was asking something difficult to comply with. But I wanted to hear everyones opinion on this matter.

I will answer in general terms as I am not in a position to say that such and such a person is making false claims or not. However, the cases which are approved by the Church (or in the case of private revelations/apparitions, a statement that messages contain nothing which is contrary to the faith & morals professed by the Church) are the ones that we can be sure are genuine and worthy of devotion. The laity shouldn’t take it upon themselves to make a judgement - the Church has the authority and the wisdom to make pronouncements on such issues after thorough investigation: we can be absolutely certain of this if we take Christ at His word and promise that the Holy Spirit would come to guide the Church in the truth always.

It seems to me that the faithful should be especially wary of those who are disobeying the decrees of their bishops in relation to such matters. Saint Faustina learned that Christ delights in our obedience to our superiors - it is said that at one time Christ asked the saint to undertake a certain penitential act, and she asked her mother superior if she might do so. Her superior refused to give her permission, and Saint Faustina humbly obeyed - the Lord said to her afterwards that she was right to have submitted in obedience to the will of the mother superior.

One may believe sincerely that a bishop wrongly gave a negative judgement in this and that case - however, one is better off trusting 1) in the bishop whom the Lord has appointed, and 2) in the Lord Himself that he will lead the bishop to the right decision. Unfortunately, many sites of false revelations will encourage disobedience to the bishop after he has made a judgement. The fact is that neither Christ nor His Blessed Mother, or any of the company of Saints would encourage disobedience to the bishops - if they were to do so, one would logically have to conclude that Christ was lying when He said that the Spirit would guide the Church in truth. For myself, I would commit myself to trusting the words of Christ rather than random self-proclaimed visionaries and supposed miracle-workers.

 

[rivera01]

I Ditto the above

 

[InLight247]

According to this report: marys-touch.com/truth/rome2010_albino.htm

During an overnight prayer meeting in Naju on November 24, 2009 commemorating the fifteenth anniversary of Archbishop Giovanni Bulaitis’ visit to Naju and his witnessing two miraculous descents of the Eucharist on the same day, the Blessed Mother instructed Julia to visit Archbishop Giovanni Bulaitis. On February 26, 2010, Julia Kim together with Fr. Aloysius Chang and a few volunteer helpers in Naju boarded an airplane bound for Rome. She was also carrying with her the Eucharist that had bled on October 16, 2006 as well as the messages from Jesus and the Blessed Mother on October 15 and 16, 2006 for the Holy Father.

And it said

Cardinal Ivan Dias witnessed Julia’s suffering the pains from the Crown of Thorns

And

The penalties imposed on Fr. Aloysius Chang should also be lifted. Fr. Chang can continue celebrating the Mass.”

The above happened in March 2010.

Just FYI

 

[crystal_waters]

i dont know if your story is among them but if you go to www.spiritdaily.com and then go down to eucharistic miracles you will find several stories

 

[NPC]

According to this report: marys-touch.com/truth/rome2010_albino.htm

And it said

And

The above happened in March 2010.

Just FYI

I’d be wary of that site though, as it very clearly has the aim of promoting Julia Kim.

At the end of the day, it is her diocesan bishop who has the authority to make a pronouncement - and his statements are available on the diocesan website, for which I posted a link earlier. The things that the author of the article mentioned - the hosts with blood, a cardinal witnessing Kim suffering the pain of the Crown of Thorns, &c. don’t really prove anything. Also, who is he to make a judgement as to whether or not the restrictions imposed on Fr Chang should be lifted? - again that is a decision for the bishop to make, and the faithful should humbly obey, even if they are surprised or dismayed by his decision. The faithful should pray that the bishop will be led to the right decision, whatever that may be - and that goes for all cases of apparitions, eucharistic miracles, &c. &c.

 

[InLight247]

I’d be wary of that site though, as it very clearly has the aim of promoting Julia Kim.

The things that the author of the article mentioned - the hosts with blood, a cardinal witnessing Kim suffering the pain of the Crown of Thorns, &c. don’t really prove anything. Also, who is he to make a judgement as to whether or not the restrictions imposed on Fr Chang should be lifted? - again that is a decision for the bishop to make, and the faithful should humbly obey, even if they are surprised or dismayed by his decision. The faithful should pray that the bishop will be led to the right decision, whatever that may be - and that goes for all cases of apparitions, eucharistic miracles, &c. &c.

Certainly obedience to the superior is important and no one would argue about that.
It seems, according to the article from March of this year, that a series of events have happened in Rome to do with Julia Kim, and were presented to our Holy Father. Surely God can grant Eucharistic miracle by using anyone of His choice. The purpose of posting the above link was simply to present a recent article found, some report later than 2008. As the faithful, we should **neither promote nor condemn **something that is still in the process of the Church’s evaluation. And there is no reason to get excited either way.

 

[NPC]

InLight - I hope I didn’t appear to be attacking you for having posted the link. That certainly wasn’t my intention…I know that merely posting a link does not mean that one is promoting or supporting Julia Kim.

Certainly obedience to the superior is important and no one would argue about that.
It seems, according to the article from March of this year, that a series of events have happened in Rome to do with Julia Kim, and were presented to our Holy Father.

My view would be one of scepticism - that doesn’t mean that I’m condemning Kim outright; however, all we have to go on, as remote onlookers thousands of kilometers from both Julia Kim and Rome, are photographs which may or may not show a genuine eucharistic miracle, and the testimony of a person whose impartiality we cannot ascertain.

Surely God can grant Eucharistic miracle by using anyone of His choice.

Absolutely. With God all things are possible…but he has given us the privilege of witnessing a true eucharistic miracle every time we go to Holy Mass - and that is one miracle that we must promote; indeed it is one that we don’t have to wait for the judgement of a bishop, because the formula for this miracle (the Mass) comes right from the mouth of Christ Himself.

As the faithful, we should **neither promote nor condemn **something that is still in the process of the Church’s evaluation. And there is no reason to get excited either way.

Yes, that’s true. However, I think the faithful should always err on the side of caution in such matters, as the Church herself does. There are many apparitions which gained a strong following of lay-faithful before the Church initiated investigations, and when the bishop issued a negative judgement, many found it hard to obey the bishop. Some say that we ought to judge such things by their fruits, many of which are good, no doubt - such as conversions and increased devotion, but I think that a particularly rotten and foul fruit is that of disobedience to those whom we, as Catholics, believe have been appointed by the Lord to teach us the truth.

 

[InLight247]

… he has given us the privilege of witnessing a true eucharistic miracle every time we go to Holy Mass - and that is one miracle that we must promote; indeed it is one that we don’t have to wait for the judgement of a bishop, because the formula for this miracle (the Mass) comes right from the mouth of Christ Himself.

Yes, we do witness Eucharistic miracle every time we attend Mass. That is a true privilege.
As for some dramatic format of Eucharistic miracles, the Church always takes it as false until it is evaluated to be true, including the famous *Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano *.

What I was trying to say is : God has granted many approved Eucharistic miracles during the past. He may still grant such an unusual miracle nowadays.
We just don’t know. When a case is still under investigation, if it has not been rejected and closed, we could hold a pending attitude, neither promote nor condemn. Peace.

 

[akhoang]

Can someone please clear up something for me regarding
the decree issued by the Catholic bishop of Kwangju?

I understand that Catholics will be excommunicated if they go to Naju to participate in their masses.

I know of a couple who who resides in California that promotes Julia Kim through their online website. By doing so are they also automatically excommunicated?

Thanks!

 

[NPC]

Can someone please clear up something for me regarding
the decree issued by the Catholic bishop of Kwangju?

I understand that Catholics will be excommunicated if they go to Naju to participate in their masses.

I know of a couple who who resides in California that promotes Julia Kim through their online website. By doing so are they also automatically excommunicated?

Thanks!

With regard to excommunication latae sententiae, the Archbishop says that those who incur such a penalty are those “clergy, religious, or laity who preside over or attend the celebration of the sacraments or sacramentals, against my prohibition, at any alleged ‘oratory’ or the ‘hill of Our Lady in Naju’”. He doesn’t specifically mention this penalty for people such as those you have mentioned above, though he is clear that the decree is binding on all members of the Catholic Church.

However, he is very clear in his second paragraph that “those who believe in Julia Youn in Naju and all related phenomena no longer have the intention to be in unity and harmony with the Catholic Church”. While he doesn’t mention excommunication, that is essentially what happens when a person cuts themself off from the Church, having no desire or intention for unity in the Church. The Archbishop says later in his decree that followers of Kim are promoting an unsound devotion and a cult - so my conclusion would be that those who promote a cult that is not in accordance with the teachings of the Catholic Church cannot rightly call themselves Catholics and are probably thus excommunicated latae sententiae.

 

[akhoang]

Thanks for your reply.

Naju is not the only false apparition that this couple promotes. Not only do they sell online videos and books, but they also form weekly prayer groups. Their team also translates Naju books into other languages to promote it worldwide.

I tried to reason with them using church doctrines and CDF decrees to point out that are promoting an occult. They refuse to listen to anything rational. They believe that if the church persecutes them then they will become martyrs.

This is very alarming to me, because they are endangering so many Catholics. I wanted to tell them that are excommunicated so that will knock some sense into them. But I tried to read the Bishop’s decree over and over again, and am still not clear if people who promote Naju overseas are excommunicated as well.

What are the church laws regarding the promotion of occults?

What are the church laws regarding “not being in unity” with the church? Does that mean that they are living in mortal sin and therefore not able to receive the Eucharist? This couple serve as Eurcharistic ministers at several parishes in their community.