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TMGallyon85
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Does anyone think the Holy See will set directives on the Eucharistic prayers to allow Prayer 1 (Roman canon) to be read more. I am 22 and have only heard it once and that was on TV for the Vatican Midnight Mass.
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James0235
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It is always permitted. But, I agree that it rarely seems to be used by most priests.
Try asking your pastor to use it more often. He might say no. But, then again he might say yes.
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BennyBoy89
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My parish is pretty middle of the road when it comes to Traditional vs. Progressive, and the celebrant used Canon I on Holy Thursday, Easter Vigil, and the Mass that I attended (celebrated by the same priest as Holy Thursday) on Easter Sunday. Hopefully they will be using it for the majority of the Easter season, as it is my favorite (at least when it’s prayed in its entirety).
Of course, I don’t believe that I have heard Canon IV yet… not positive though. II, III, and IV sound so similarly, but I think we are pretty much Canon II and III people at St. Mary’s.
Of course, I don’t believe that I have heard Canon IV yet… not positive though. II, III, and IV sound so similarly, but I think we are pretty much Canon II and III people at St. Mary’s.
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James0235
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I’m 30 and I have never heard EP4 used. I’m beginning to think that it is a myth and doesn’t really exist.
2 and 3 seem to be the norm for most priests that I have encountered. I do know of one priest who only ever used EP1. He memorized it and recited it from memory because he was dyslexic and had trouble reading.
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NeedImprovement
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It does seem to depend on the priest here in Montreal too. I don’t hear it that often and, regretably so. It is my favorite because it’s the only of the four main ones which invokes an angel and which has the priest making the sign of the cross (not over the gifts but more blessing himself with/for the faithful).
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stmaria
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Eucharistic Prayer I, which is a version of the Roman Canon, should be the only Eucharistic prayer said. It is truly Catholic unlike Eucharistic Prayer II which the* Ottaviani Intervention *rightly states," a priest who no longer believes in either Transubstantiation or the sacrificial character of the Mass could recite it with perfect tranquility of conscience, and that a Protestant minister, moreover, could use it in his own celebrations just as well."
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SuscipeMeDomine
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I don’t hear Eucharistic Prayer I very often but most recently I heard it both on Holy Thursday and at the Easter Vigil. I once asked my pastor if it would be weird to request that he use EPI for some saint’s day – I don’t remember which one – and he said it wasn’t weird at all. So why don’t you ask. 
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peregrinus_WA
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It is used regularly at my parish, especially when the OF is said in Latin.
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sevendolours
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Check out the GIRM.
Briefly, EP1 is the par excellence of the Roman rite. It ought to be used on Solemnities or feasts/memorials of the saints whose names are in the ‘Communicantes’
EP2 should be used on weekdays. It can be used on other days at the discretion of the celebrant; restless congregation, et cetera.
EP3 should be used on Sundays and all Feast days.
EP4, the summary of the life of our Lord and the history of our salvation, should be used during retreats or in formation houses/seminaries where the congregation has a deep understanding of Catholic doctrine.
Reconciliation 1 & 2 should be used during Advent or Lent. One focues on communal reconciliation while the other focuses on reconciliation between man and God
Hope this helps!
Briefly, EP1 is the par excellence of the Roman rite. It ought to be used on Solemnities or feasts/memorials of the saints whose names are in the ‘Communicantes’
EP2 should be used on weekdays. It can be used on other days at the discretion of the celebrant; restless congregation, et cetera.
EP3 should be used on Sundays and all Feast days.
EP4, the summary of the life of our Lord and the history of our salvation, should be used during retreats or in formation houses/seminaries where the congregation has a deep understanding of Catholic doctrine.
Reconciliation 1 & 2 should be used during Advent or Lent. One focues on communal reconciliation while the other focuses on reconciliation between man and God
Hope this helps!
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fnz2thrght
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I actually hear a good mix and most seem used at the appropriate times. I must be lucky.
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puzzleannie
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the directives allow the priest to choose the Eucharistic prayer, so no change is necessary.
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AngelRose81
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Our priests use #1 quite a bit. And come to think of it #3 is the only one I can remember right now that has been used. I don’t think they have ever used the rest of them!
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PKinsale
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Actually, there should be a directive that more specifically lays out the preference for the Roman Canon (EP1). Unfortunately, like many directives, it wil lbe freely ignored by those pastors who fund such things more of a guideline to be ignored at will than a law to be obeyed.
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BennyBoy89
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It’s a shame that EP IV is never used. I have a copy of The Catholic Prayer Book given to me by my sponsor, and I think it’s beautiful. Maybe I’ll ask one of my priests to do use it sometime…I’m 30 and I have never heard EP4 used. I’m beginning to think that it is a myth and doesn’t really exist.
2 and 3 seem to be the norm for most priests that I have encountered. I do know of one priest who only ever used EP1. He memorized it and recited it from memory because he was dyslexic and had trouble reading.
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TMGallyon85
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PKinsale, I had read something along the lines of what you are saying that the Directives in place virtually replace the Canon with Prayer 3 most sundays and feasts
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NicPais83
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I think I read this in the GIRM, but if not, I know it’s not hard to find in the rubrics somewhere. Basically, the priest is always allowed to use the Roman Canon. Eucharistic Prayer III is a brand new composition, and can basically be used as an alternative to the Roman Canon, so whenever you use Eucharistic Prayer I, you can use III, although there might be instances where that’s not always true.
Eucharistic Prayer II is paraphrased from the Anaphora of St. Hippolytus (sp?) and is really only for like weekday Masses, although I think it can be used in Masses with children. It can be used with any preface, but there is also a specific preface for II.
Eucharistic Prayer IV, Reconciliation Prayers I, and II, all have very specific prefaces, and they can only be used when the rubrics allow their prefaces. I can’t recall the particulars though. Eucharistic Prayer IV is paraphrased from an Eastern Divine Liturgy, I want to say St. James, but not sure.
Overall, my favorite is the Roman Canon, but IV is amazingly beautiful also. Some priests tend to always use II, which really isn’t always allowed.
Eucharistic Prayer II is paraphrased from the Anaphora of St. Hippolytus (sp?) and is really only for like weekday Masses, although I think it can be used in Masses with children. It can be used with any preface, but there is also a specific preface for II.
Eucharistic Prayer IV, Reconciliation Prayers I, and II, all have very specific prefaces, and they can only be used when the rubrics allow their prefaces. I can’t recall the particulars though. Eucharistic Prayer IV is paraphrased from an Eastern Divine Liturgy, I want to say St. James, but not sure.
Overall, my favorite is the Roman Canon, but IV is amazingly beautiful also. Some priests tend to always use II, which really isn’t always allowed.
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NeedImprovement
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NicPais83
I work closely with an elderly handicapped priest who is a Servite of Mary and unable to celebrate Mass by himself without help. He told me Eucharistic Prayer IV was written by a Servite of Mary. I asked him again today if he was sure, he replied he was but unfortunately he isn’t able to recall the name. You think you might know it NicPais 83 ?
I work closely with an elderly handicapped priest who is a Servite of Mary and unable to celebrate Mass by himself without help. He told me Eucharistic Prayer IV was written by a Servite of Mary. I asked him again today if he was sure, he replied he was but unfortunately he isn’t able to recall the name. You think you might know it NicPais 83 ?
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NicPais83
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I never heard that about the Servite of Mary writing Eucharistic Prayer IV, but obviously that doesn’t mean that it’s not true. The most I know about IV is that it is based off of the text of one of the Anaphoras used in one of the Divine Liturgies. That’s why it has a fixed preface, because they basically took the first section, made it into a preface, and then the rest continues after the Sanctus. Since it does that, that implies to me at least that it’s not Byzantine, since I know the Byzantine Rite has the Holy, Holy, Holy… prior to the Consecration.
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NeedImprovement
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Thx much. I might try running it by a confrere of his if I can get a hold of him, we’re a little scarce on O.S.M. in the immediate vicinity. If I find anything I’ certainly post it. God bless you NicPais83.
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NicPais83
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I’ll keep looking online in the mean time. I’m curious myself. The thing that’s difficult is that it’s hard to find information on the exact people involved in writing the Eucharistic Prayers, or maybe I just haven’t found the right sources yet. God bless you too NeedImprovement!
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