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mark_a
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Can someone please explain: “May these and all who sleep in Christ, find in your presence light, happiness, and peace.”
Sounds a bit Jehovah’s Witnessy to me.
Sounds a bit Jehovah’s Witnessy to me.
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Vincent
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The language is consistent with 1 Thessalonians 4:14. But that doesn’t imply the JW “soul sleep”.
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JimG
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Wow, I’ve been listening to the Roman Canon (First Eucharistic Prayer) for years, and it never made me think of Jehovah’s Witnesses! I think that the Roman Canon was probably written long before the JW’s even existed.
That phrase is simply a prayer for the deceased.
As Vincent mentioned, the language is consistent with 1 Thess 4:14: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, God will bring forth from the dead all those who have fallen asleep believing in him.”
That phrase is simply a prayer for the deceased.
As Vincent mentioned, the language is consistent with 1 Thess 4:14: “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose, God will bring forth from the dead all those who have fallen asleep believing in him.”
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Joe_Kelley
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John 11:11-14
He said this, and then told them, “Our friend Lazarus is asleep, but I am going to awaken him.” 12 So the disciples said to him, “Master, if he is asleep, he will be saved.” 13 But Jesus was talking about his death, while they thought that he meant ordinary sleep. 14 So then Jesus said to them clearly, "Lazarus has died.
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Iohannes
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Here is a better translation of the Roman Canon:
Be mindful, also, O Lord, of Thy servants and handmaids N . . . and N . . . who are gone before us with the sign of faith and who sleep the sleep of peace. To these, O Lord, and to all who rest in Christ, grant, we beseech Thee, a place of refreshment, light and peace. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.
ICEL Translation:
Remember, Lord, those who have died and have gone before us marked with the sign of faith, especialy those for whom we now pray, N. et N. May these, and all who sleep in Christ, find in your presence light, happiness, and peace.
Be mindful, also, O Lord, of Thy servants and handmaids N . . . and N . . . who are gone before us with the sign of faith and who sleep the sleep of peace. To these, O Lord, and to all who rest in Christ, grant, we beseech Thee, a place of refreshment, light and peace. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.
ICEL Translation:
Remember, Lord, those who have died and have gone before us marked with the sign of faith, especialy those for whom we now pray, N. et N. May these, and all who sleep in Christ, find in your presence light, happiness, and peace.
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Deacon_Ed
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In the Eastern Catholic tradition we don’t speak of those who have died but, rather, of those who have “fallen asleep in the Lord.” This phrase is simply a reference to those who have died believing in the Lord.
This is different from the “soul sleep” of the JW’s in that we see death as simply a transition from this life to the next in the same way as one day transitions to the next.
Deacon Ed
This is different from the “soul sleep” of the JW’s in that we see death as simply a transition from this life to the next in the same way as one day transitions to the next.
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mark_a
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Thanks folks for the patient responses. Presently I’m jumping around in the CCC. Hopefully soon I’ll read it front to back.
You know, every week I listen more intently (I’m making up for lost time) and find new points to ponder.
Thanks again.
You know, every week I listen more intently (I’m making up for lost time) and find new points to ponder.
Thanks again.
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