Eucharistic Procession at Mercy Center, World Youth Day 2016

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Thank you. As I’d mentioned before, one of the greatest things about the WYD programs was that it offered such variety in its music. The Masses were accompanied by Gregorian chant, and there were some excellent breakout sessions held by the music director to help those who were interested in developing Gregorian chant in their own parishes. I thought it was a great message to the youth that we don’t have to have an “all-or-nothing” attitude toward traditional Catholicism - we can embrace both the traditional and the modern in equal measure.
“Traditional” and “modern” are not very helpful designations. The Church should embrace sacred music, and her definition includes “Gregorian chant, sacred polyphony in its various forms both ancient and modern, sacred music for the organ and other approved instruments, and sacred popular music, be it liturgical or simply religious” (Musicam sacram, #4b). Embracing modern music for the sake of being diverse and multi-faceted isn’t a good reason: music should be analyzed for substance, wherever it’s coming from.
 
“Traditional” and “modern” are not very helpful designations. The Church should embrace sacred music, and her definition includes “Gregorian chant, sacred polyphony in its various forms both ancient and modern, sacred music for the organ and other approved instruments, and sacred popular music, be it liturgical or simply religious” (Musicam sacram, #4b). Embracing modern music for the sake of being diverse and multi-faceted isn’t a good reason: music should be analyzed for substance, wherever it’s coming from.
If you prefer this definition, then, none of the music from that night should have caused you concern, as it was all clearly sacred music. Therefore, I’m not sure why we are still engaging in this discussion.
 
its God working thru a donkey, not necessarily the Church offering its treasury to our Most High God
Yes…God incarnate who was born in a stable. God incarnate who chose to ride on a donkey for His triumphal entry into the Holy City. As I recall, that is exactly what He waned…and sent His disciples to retrieve for Him and was what the Church, in the person of the apostles whom He sent, brought to Him and gave to Him.
 
I’m not sure where you see that you approached it with a great deal of objectivity. You quoted several documents regarding Eucharistic processions, and seemed to suggest that because those documents indicated circumstances where “It is fitting…” for a procession to occur, that it could not occur in any other way. That is an improper method of interpretation. You also ignored all of the sections in the documents that allow flexibility to adhere to local custom /…/

Finally, you went on, at length, regarding the music choices for the evening, including a rather bland parsing of “Come As You Are” - and I say bland, because if you can’t see how that song is totally appropriate for laying yourself bare in front of Jesus as He is present with us, then your interpretative skills are truly lacking. Truthfully, I can’t imagine a message that is more fitting for meeting Jesus, and certainly one that has to be better conveyed to our youth

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This is it - YOU feel there was a better way to carry out a Eucharistic procession. YOU believe it should have been done differently, and that YOUR way would have been better

Again, I’ll say - I was there. It was an incredibly powerful experience. Maybe instead of criticizing, we can just rejoice in the fact that 25,000 youth gathered together to worship and give glory to God
There was one point you left out – it was presided by a Bishop. Not only did you have the privilege of being with a successor of the apostles, a Bishop has even broader latitude when it comes to liturgical rubrics

The Rite for Worship of the Eucharist Outside of Mass is so well suited for WYD as it has such breadth of flexibility

What you experienced was irreplaceable. I’m very glad you had this superb blessing. It’s something you will carry with you all your life, actually – and it’s also something for you to share with less fortunate people who don’t have the opportunity to assist at such epic moments in the Church’s history. You’ve seen something extraordinary

It’s an incredible and a singular experience of the incredible diversity within the Universal Church and its many varied expressions…each to be cherished for how the Lord uses it to touch His people and be in their midst

In the course of my years of priesthood, aspects of my work took me around the globe

I was in abbeys of the Solesmes Congregation – and, as OraLabora has already said, they know uniquely how to do Gregorian chant because they are the great repository of it. As Sacrosanctum Concilium says, it has pride of place. And one certainly sees it enjoys pride of place when in one of the abbeys of Solesmes or, indeed, with the Sistine Choir or one of the other great Cathedral Choirs in Europe…but I certainly don’t expect to encounter it or try to replicate it in a rural parish anymore than I expect the rural parish to execute the Liturgy of the Hours comparable to the monks of Monte Cassino – if indeed they attempt the Liturgy of the Hours at all

And there is so much beyond Gregorian chant

I’ve been in one moment in an abbey of Solesmes and then right thereafter in a Trappist abbey where the liturgy was as spartan, austere, and ascetic as the monastic life and their rustic setting

I’ve been with hermits where the emphasis was on solitude and the liturgy and prayer life reflected that – as well as with communities of the new ecclesial movements that live community so intensely that I retreated to the garden just to cherish alone time since my guest accommodation was a curtained off bed in a dormitory. Their liturgies were a vibrant contemporary experience of guitars and other instruments that worked wonderfully well with the members of the community of Consecrated as well as their various lay associates

From such an experience, I’ve then found myself in monasteries occupied by members of royal families in centuries past with opulent art treasures on a breath-taking scale

And then there is the dynamic prayer with the charismatics

Of course, I lived my life surrounded by the great pipe organs of Europe and I always cherish them – even as I ministered in small chapels and oratories that relied on keyboards or other very modest instruments but that made music to the Lord ever so wonderfully…at least to the soul, if not to the ear

But I think, above all, I shall never forget the Africans and my time with them…with their music, with the drums, with the liturgical dance. For a professor of liturgy, that experience of liturgy far and away surpassed the Vetus Ordo Masses I had attended decades long past and then, as a priest, had offered, or the magnificence of the pontificated liturgies…or, yes, OraLabora, I must tell you even Solesmes. The memories of those African inculturated liturgies

I remember one of my African seminarians, a bit nostalgic, coming to see me and saying “The organ is pretty enough…but when I hear the drums, it is entirely different.” I looked at him and said…“Yes, I experienced that just enough to have an appreciation for how true it certainly must be for you”

Starting with the incomparable gift of the liturgical movement that gave us reform and renewal. From the Vetus Ordo to the Novus Ordo…and the liturgies as they are to be experienced in Europe, Africa, Asia, the Islands, and America. And of course, I could write so much about the East and my experiences with the sui juris Churches

From liturgies with the monks…Benedictine, Cistercian, Trappist and even the new communities of the Beatitudes and the Jerusalem Community…the canons regular…the friars…the clerical congregations and missionary congregations that arose after Saint Ignatius…the societies of apostolic life and the secular institutes – each with their own spirituality and their own ways of offering the liturgy. To experience the diversity within the Church is an incredible gift
 
I agree, Father, that drums and liturgical dance in Ethiopia (for example), is entirely appropriate. Is it equally appropriate for a roomful of American, say Anglo-German-Irish to be force-led to the same beat and sway? As Cardinal Arinze states, entirely no.

The same way Gregorian music would be inappropriate at a Syriac Holy Qurbono, a pentecostalstyle Mass is entirely inappropriate for any Latin Church setting. Yes, bishops and pastors from certain regions in the world allow and even encourage such things, but does that mean that the history and theology behind it is now Catholic? Certainly not, not any more so than female altar servers and extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. These are all allowed deviations, modern and not particularly rooted in Tradition.

As I stated my personal concern. These distract our young people, our clergy and worshippers from the Liturgy as a learning model, this affects the Eastern Churches much more so than the Latin, as the East has always used its theological depth within Liturgy to teach its faithful how to pray and how to believe. By using these ‘modern tools’, we not only loose the theological depth, the connection to the Patristic Apostolic Tradition is given up for another ‘experience’, and the teaching opportunities are entirely gone. A generation of Masses, Liturgies, and prayers in these ‘new styles’ will be the death of Eastern Churches, as no one will be equipped to hand anything of significance down to their children. The next generation of ‘experience’ seekers disconnected from their Patristic Church can only worship in contemporary style modern Roman Churches, go to some comfortable non-Catholic protestant body, or seek out spiritual experiences from various religions and cults wandering here and there.
 
I think for me, personally, I just like when the music at church doesn’t remind me of worldly music. It makes me think of Heaven. If there’s contemporary Christian music that is appropriate and good, it can have a place, but I don’t think within liturgy… just my opinion. I was told that V2 encourages traditional music
 
I hope I’m not resurrecting a dead topic, but I did want to chime in, for one reason:

I was there.

I was in the Mercy Centre for the whole Night of Mercy, including the Eucharistic Procession, and I can tell you, the music chosen was beautiful, completely appropriate to the moment, and only added to the experience. They were not “Protestant” songs - they were Christian songs, sung to glorify God.

You can have a preference for one type of music, or one type of procession, or one type of service, and that’s fine. But recognize that it is your preference - it is not a “better” way of worshipping. There were 25,000 youth in that arena on that night, kneeling on cement floors and in stadium seating, all showing reverence for Jesus Christ. It was amazing. It was powerful. And it spoke to the youth, a youth who increasingly feel ignored and disconnected from the whole world - including the church. Shouldn’t we celebrate that, rather than criticize it because we might prefer something different?
I would just like to mention that thanks to the link provided in the OP the other night I sat transfixed for over two hours watching the entire video (save for Bishop Barron’s talk which I confess I skipped over because of the lateness of the hour) in awe of the solemnity and beauty of the procession of the Eucharist, uplifted by the sacred music, and moved deeply by the response of the thousands, mostly but not all teens, in attendance witnessing the vitality of the universal Church.

“Sacred,” you ask? Yep, according to my dictionary as in that which is dedicated to or set aside for the worship of God. Or as the pope of my youth put it:

32. If the private and interior devotion of individuals were to neglect the august sacrifice of the altar and the sacraments, and to withdraw them from the stream of vital energy that flows from Head to members, it would indeed be sterile, and deserve to be condemned. But when devotional exercises, and pious practices in general, not strictly connected with the sacred liturgy, confine themselves to merely human acts, with the express purpose of directing these latter to the Father in heaven, of rousing people to repentance and holy fear of God, of weaning them from the seductions of the world and its vice, and leading them back to the difficult path of perfection, then certainly such practices are not only highly praiseworthy but absolutely indispensable, because they expose the dangers threatening the spiritual life; because they promote the acquisition of virtue; and because they increase the fervor and generosity with which we are bound to dedicate all that we are and all that we have to the service of Jesus Christ.

“Ah, the exuberance of youth,” some may say, “well and good, but the young and their preferences eventually mature.” Maybe so but that pope of my youth referred to above happens to be Pius XII, his words are from Mediator Dei (On the Sacred Liturgy) written in 1947 and, oh yes, it just so happens that in a little under one hour I will be turning 74.
 
a pentecostal style Mass is entirely inappropriate for any Latin Church setting. Yes, bishops and pastors from certain regions in the world allow and even encourage such things, but does that mean that the history and theology behind it is now Catholic? Certainly not, not any more so than female altar servers and extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. These are all allowed deviations, modern and not particularly rooted in Tradition
That is not your decision to make.

What music is allowed at a liturgy of the Roman Church or indeed the presence of expressions derived from the charismatic movement are the province of the Latin rite clergy, the competence for which is delineated for us at its various levels. As, indeed, are the issues related to involvement of women in roles of ministry – as well as ecclesiastical governance – and the laity’s participation in distributing the Eucharist, within the discipline and indult of the Roman Church.

Those issues rest with our hierarchy.
 
I don’t disagree that it does. I’m speaking as the quality of the sources. Sometimes it seems that todays leadership in many areas prefer that we laity pray, pay, and obey the dictates of modern thought. While Latin or Tradition was ‘forced’ on people in the past, today ‘new style’ is forced on many without a choice. Its much of that clericalism that Vatican2 tried to reduce now in its contemporary form.

I wonder if Pope Francis had people like me in mind when he told us to ‘make a mess’ Hagan lio at the parish!

I should further point out, that you are entirely correct that it is not my decision to make at the Diocesan or parish level, but it is entirely my decision to make for myself and my family. Our primacy of conscience cannot allow anything more, isn’t that emphasized in todays theology. We laity are entirely empowered to support parishes and parish activities that our consciences feel are Godly, and reject those we feel are secular or non-Catholic
 
If you prefer this definition, then, none of the music from that night should have caused you concern, as it was all clearly sacred music. Therefore, I’m not sure why we are still engaging in this discussion.
You’re probably right. Seeing as how the good Bishop Barron’s ministry has been a source of great inspiration for me, I see no benefit in doubting his pastoral judgment.

And the Music War rages on…
 
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