Eucharistic Wine

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I believe the wine to be used in the Eucharistic Sacrifice must be pure. What exactly does “pure” entail? At a few of the parishes I have attended the parish provides wine with sulfates (probably purchased at the local Costco or grocery store). Is this okay? If not, does it make the Mass invalid or illicit?
 
It would be illicit not invlaid matter. There must not be any additives in the wine.
 
Just to clarify…

Sulfites occur naturally in wine. They are present naturally on the grapes and yeasts naturally produce sulfites during fermentation. Nearly all wineries also add sulfites to wine to prevent the wine from spoiling. The Greeks and Romans used sulfur candles to sterilize wine barrels. So this is nothing new.

In order to find a no sulfite added wine you would have to go to a health food shop. There are virtually none on the market because wine without sulfites spoils quickly and frequently has off flavors.

So, pure liturgical wine for the is definitely going to have sulfites and almost certainly have sulfites added.
 
Does the Catholic Church promote the use of Kosher wine? (I know it’s what the Jews use in their ceremonies and I wasn’t sure if it was considered proper in the RCC as well.) In relation, is there a certain type of wine that is usually used? (I’ve never taken Catholic communion in deference to the church rule on Protestants not taking it, so I wouldn’t know by taste.)
 
In my experience the wine has been very very low grade bad tasting wine. I’m sure Kosher wine could be used but probably isn’t.
 
In my parish our pastor buys boxed wine. He currently has boxes of Franzia Sunset Blush stacked in the closet in the sacristy. When I saw this I could not longer take the Preciious Blood. Folks, including another priest, stated that since “natural flavors” are added to this wine, it is illicit but not invalid matter. Even so, I can neither take the Precious Blood or buy Franzia Sunset Blush when I want a cheap box of wine.
 
Greetings Church
Greeings Micki

How sad for you Micki. You actually believe that the Holy Spirit cannot change any sort of wine into the Blood of our Lord?
Sure, the Church indicates pure wine. That is beautiful. So what if the Priest uses an unworthy vessel, a cardboard box. The Priest, himself and you and I are also unworthy vessels. God can make use of anything He chooses.

He asked you to eat His Body and drink His Blood. The Mass is being celebrated by a valid Priest and the Miracle performed by the Holy Spirit. This is Jesus blood whether it has a few additives and in cardboard or not. Can you deny this?

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Br. Rich SFO:
It would be illicit not invlaid matter. There must not be any additives in the wine.
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Fascinating arguments! As to sulfites, in the modest amounts added to red wines as preservatives, these volatilize quickly when the wine is poured into the chalice, and should not present a problem by the time of consecration.

Conventionally, churches have used sweet, fortified red wines for the sacrament, and these have even less added sulfite as the higher alcohol content acts as the anti-bacterial agent. Interesting, of course, is the fact that alcohol is added…
 
Since the subject discussed here is the wine used in Eucharistic Communion I would like to interpose a question at this point which is probably off-subject but I need clarification.

Since the host (bread) can taken alone as Holy Communion can the wine alone also be taken instead of the host? I know it sounds trivial. I just can’t get it off my mind? Thank you.
 
Yes, Christ is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity under either form. A wine can be fortified up to the point that would occur naturally. For instance if a grape would ferment to 15% if all or most of the sugar was consummed in the process. The fermentation can be stopped with sugar remaining say at 11% and the wine can be additionally fortified up to but not exceeding 15%.
 
Jerry - Re Since the host (bread) can taken alone as Holy Communion can the wine alone also be taken instead of the host? I know it sounds trivial. I just can’t get it off my mind? Yes, though usually it is only done for good reason.

I have had two cases where a sick person could not tolerate solids; so I took the Precious Blood to them. Transporting it is a problem so I would only do it in case of clear necessity.

Some people are allergic to wheat; so receive only the Precious Blood. This is an additional reason not to allow intinction by communicants. The wheat will leave traces in the chalice.
 
Some people are allergic to wheat; so receive only the Precious Blood. This is an additional reason not to allow intinction by communicants. The wheat will leave traces in the chalice
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And some people are even more than allergic to wheat and suffer from a disease called Celiac disease and as you say, even a trace of wheat can be life-threatening to these folks.

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oh my, I never thought about wheat allergy and intinction. I’ll keep my eyes open for that also.
 
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Greetings Church
Greeings Micki

How sad for you Micki. You actually believe that the Holy Spirit cannot change any sort of wine into the Blood of our Lord?
Sure, the Church indicates pure wine. That is beautiful. So what if the Priest uses an unworthy vessel, a cardboard box. The Priest, himself and you and I are also unworthy vessels. God can make use of anything He chooses.

He asked you to eat His Body and drink His Blood. The Mass is being celebrated by a valid Priest and the Miracle performed by the Holy Spirit. This is Jesus blood whether it has a few additives and in cardboard or not. Can you deny this?

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I did not state that the wine is not changed into the Blood of Jesus. Other reliable sources have stated that the wine used is illicit NOT invalid. If this did not matter to the Church then it would not matter to me BUT Church authority states that the wine used is to be unadulterated. If this is what the Church says then it’s good enough for me!!
 
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