European Bishops Speak Out Against EU’s ‘Homophobia’ Resolution

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Jaypeeto3:
I agree especially with the statement about Ted Kennedy.

Ortho, you’re being quite naive about the intentions of the “gay” rights movement. They intend to have enacted laws which ban hate speech as THEY define hate speech, which includes scriptural condemnations of homosexual behavior. This is already enacted in Canada, and there have been numerous arrests of Christians. It has also happened here, in Philadelphia, last year when Christians counterprotested a gay pride event. The Christians were arrested and charged with hate crimes.
Only a massive letter writing and phone campaign got them released.

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I dismiss this simply because we have not seen anything similar in the last fifty years of the civil rights struggle. I also have seen nothing outside the confines of employment.

I think the problem in Philadelphia resulted from gay counter moves. The Christian group had been picketing the event for several years without being arrested.

This year, gays constructed large pink bunnies and positioned themselves in front of the demonstrators so their signs were blocked. In the ensuing jockeying forposition, the gays manuevered the demonstrators into a situation where the demonstrators refused to comply with police orders.

I remember the incident, but don’t know the judicial outcome.Does anyone know?

Other countries have all kinds of laws outlawing speech. I don’t see how that matters for the US.
 
So what are the names of the “numerous” Canadians arrested for preaching the Gospel?

You can Google search Canada Christians Arrested Hate Speech Laws for yourself and find out their names. This is old news, its been happening since last year. Since I detect a smartalecky tone in your reply, I’ll not do the Google research for you.

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Jaypeeto4 said:
So what are the names of the “numerous” Canadians arrested for preaching the Gospel?

You can Google search Canada Christians Arrested Hate Speech Laws for yourself and find out their names. This is old news, its been happening since last year. Since I detect a smartalecky tone in your reply, I’ll not do the Google research for you.

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In other words its not true at all. Numerous Canadians have not been arrested.

BTW Are you still keen on the anti-Catholic bigots of Repent America?
 
I have been reading for months about Canadian pastors being arrested and charged with hate crimes. You have GOOGLE access, you do the searching.
If you were in the same room with me and taking that smartalecky tone you’re taking (no doubt based on your sympathy for the evil liberals) you might need to have a few teeth replaced.

As for the anti-Catholic bigots of Repent America, I was unaware that they were anti-Catholic. Of course I don’t endorse that.
Still, in preaching against sodomy they ARE speaking the word of God and NO STATE has ANY moral authority to so much as even look sideways at them, let alone arrest them.

You can reply if you want, but I’m no longer paying any attention to you since you’re a smartaleck liberal.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
Incidentally the US State Department rates Canada quite highly as a democracy state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2004/41752.htm
The country report on Human Rights Practices includes this-

Section 2 Respect for Civil Liberties, Including:

a. Freedom of Speech and Press

The law provides for freedom of speech and of the press, and the Government generally respected these rights in practice and did not restrict academic freedom. An independent press, an effective judiciary, and a functioning democratic political system combined to ensure freedom of speech and the press. The independent media were active and expressed a wide variety of views without restriction.

The Supreme Court has ruled that the Government may limit free speech in the name of goals such as ending discrimination, ensuring social harmony, or promoting gender equality. The Court ruled that the benefits of limiting hate speech and promoting equality are sufficient to outweigh the freedom of speech clause in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Inciting hatred (in certain cases) or genocide is a criminal offense, but the Supreme Court has set a high threshold for such cases, specifying that these acts must be proven to be willful and public. The Broadcasting Act prohibits programming containing any abusive comment that would expose individuals or groups to hatred or contempt. Provincial-level film censorship, broadcast licensing procedures, broadcasters’ voluntary codes curbing graphic violence, and laws against hate literature and pornography also imposed some restrictions on the media.

The Human Rights Act prohibits repeated telephone communications that expose a person or group to hatred or contempt.
 
I’m sorry. Matt was right: numerous Canadians have not (yet) been arrested and jailed. The cases I was reading about were from Sweden and other European countries.

Still, Canada is actively pursuing legal action against pastors who preach against homosexual behavior, as that is considered incitement to violence against gays.

Again, these hate crimes laws are aimed right at the heart of the Church, to silence her. If we fail to rise up, en masse, and nip these laws in the bud, we will greatly regret it in the not distant future.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
France is now shutting down the soup kitchens which have been serving a traditional French pork soup to the homeless because it might offend Muslims. Of course the authorities make the serving of the soup out to be an evil right wing plot. Read more:

msnbc.msn.com/id/11010604/
 
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Jaypeeto4:
I have been reading for months about Canadian pastors being arrested and charged with hate crimes. You have GOOGLE access, you do the searching.
If you were in the same room with me and taking that smartalecky tone you’re taking (no doubt based on your sympathy for the evil liberals) you might need to have a few teeth replaced.

As for the anti-Catholic bigots of Repent America, I was unaware that they were anti-Catholic. Of course I don’t endorse that.
Still, in preaching against sodomy they ARE speaking the word of God and NO STATE has ANY moral authority to so much as even look sideways at them, let alone arrest them.

You can reply if you want, but I’m no longer paying any attention to you since you’re a smartaleck liberal.

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A state has the authority to arrest anyone who won’t follow police orders in crowd control. There is no imunity for folks who claim to speak for God.
 
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Jaypeeto4:
I’m sorry. Matt was right: numerous Canadians have not (yet) been arrested and jailed. The cases I was reading about were from Sweden and other European countries.

Still, Canada is actively pursuing legal action against pastors who preach against homosexual behavior, as that is considered incitement to violence against gays.

Again, these hate crimes laws are aimed right at the heart of the Church, to silence her. If we fail to rise up, en masse, and nip these laws in the bud, we will greatly regret it in the not distant future.

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
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What kind of legal action are the Canadians pursuing, and for what actions? Speaking where, in what context, saying what?
 
I recently heard an English expatriate journalist (presently living in America) describe the EU as a thinly veiled form of communism or totalitarianism. Very interesting if you think about it. I wish I heard more, but I caught him toward the very end of the program (I think it was that book series on CSPAN).
 
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stellina:
I recently heard an English expatriate journalist (presently living in America) describe the EU as a thinly veiled form of communism or totalitarianism.
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Then, no offense to the guy, but he’s no idea what he’s talking about.

Mike
 
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stellina:
I recently heard an English expatriate journalist (presently living in America) describe the EU as a thinly veiled form of communism or totalitarianism. Very interesting if you think about it. I wish I heard more, but I caught him toward the very end of the program (I think it was that book series on CSPAN).
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So why does the Vatican support it in principal?
 
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