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phil19034
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Instituted Acolyte can actually serve as and vest as Sub-deacon in the Extraordinary Form of the Mass and also in the Anglican Use of the Mass.
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That’s simply not true. Many would suggest that a change to the entrance procession isn’t a change to the Mass proper anyway. The challenge is considering something like flanking the Evengeliary with candles – an addition that is beyond reproach and say whipping around fishing poles with streamers tied to the end.
Take this beautiful procession at the University of Notre Dame on All Saints Sunday. Litany of Saints at Notre Dame University - YouTube Lay members of the choir process in carrying relics of saints. The liturgist (the rector of the basilica) also separated the choir, clergy and other lay liturgical ministers with nondescript banners.
None of this is mentioned in Church documents, yet this is sublime liturgical planning no matter how you try to spin it. It breaks no rules and it’s absolutely gorgeous.
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No, it’s not.
I don’t believe that requirement exists in the GIRM either.
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Phemie
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From the GIRM:Exegete:
This is actually mentioned somewhere in the GIRM I think. However, I know that I’ve read it. It is emphasizes that we are supposed to use two lay readers (when there isn’t an Instituted Lector) and that readers may not serve at the altar.
However, I know that many parishes break this all the time… A number of parishes use only 1 reader instead of 2, and some (usually during daily mass) have one person serve as reader, altar server and EMHC in one mass.
I don’t have time to look this up, however, I know this was written down.
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Thanks …phil19034:
From the GIRM:Exegete:
This is actually mentioned somewhere in the GIRM I think. However, I know that I’ve read it. It is emphasizes that we are supposed to use two lay readers (when there isn’t an Instituted Lector) and that readers may not serve at the altar.
However, I know that many parishes break this all the time… A number of parishes use only 1 reader instead of 2, and some (usually during daily mass) have one person serve as reader, altar server and EMHC in one mass.
I don’t have time to look this up, however, I know this was written down.
Maybe I read it then as rules in my Archdiocese from the Office of Worship.
I know I read it though… but maybe it was limited to my Archdiocese
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That rarely happens (Easter Vigil Mass) and “it is well” is not a mandate.
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The idea that “cincture of an instituted lector is to be made of cloth” is not something that is documented. The introduction to the Lectionary for Mass n. 54 discusses the distinctive vestment that an instituted lector is to wear, but does not say what that distinctive vestment is. So I wrote: “Perhaps individual bishops are meant to decide their own solutions. For example, the cincture of an instituted lector is to be made of cloth, the cincture of other ministers is to be made of rope.” The idea of perhaps individual bishops creating their own “distinctive vestment” of the office of instituted lector.
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In General Instruction of the Roman Missal n. 24 it has: “However, the Priest will remember that he is the servant of the Sacred Liturgy and that he himself is not permitted, on his own initiative, to add, to remove, or to change anything in the celebration of the Mass.”
Flanking the Book of the Gospels with ministers carrying candles is a change. That is not the way it is described in the Roman Missal.
The instructions generally explain how things are to be done, rather than how they are not to be done. Occasionally this happens, for example, “109. … However, it is not at all appropriate that several persons divide a single element of the celebration among themselves, e.g., that the same reading be proclaimed by two readers, one after the other, with the exception of the Passion of the Lord.”
But it does not work to say “Anything not forbidden by the rubrics is permitted.”
Flanking the Book of the Gospels with ministers carrying candles is a change. That is not the way it is described in the Roman Missal.
The instructions generally explain how things are to be done, rather than how they are not to be done. Occasionally this happens, for example, “109. … However, it is not at all appropriate that several persons divide a single element of the celebration among themselves, e.g., that the same reading be proclaimed by two readers, one after the other, with the exception of the Passion of the Lord.”
But it does not work to say “Anything not forbidden by the rubrics is permitted.”
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You’re wrong. Like it or not, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the procession (as just one example) I posted from the University of Notre Dame.
Nor was there anything wrong with the procession from St. Mary’s in San Francisco which did have candle bearers flanking the Book of Gospels.
That’s sublime liturgical planning in action in both cases.
This made me think of the thurifers (8) at Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela in Spain.
They aren’t members of a religious order or society – they’re not even serving at the altar. They are strictly thurifers yet they are wearing what almost appears to be a habit. Nothing wrong with their appearance.
Nor was there anything wrong with the procession from St. Mary’s in San Francisco which did have candle bearers flanking the Book of Gospels.
That’s sublime liturgical planning in action in both cases.
This made me think of the thurifers (8) at Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela in Spain.
They aren’t members of a religious order or society – they’re not even serving at the altar. They are strictly thurifers yet they are wearing what almost appears to be a habit. Nothing wrong with their appearance.
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