Evangelical Christians Must Stand Against Drafting Women Into Combat, IRD Says

[Tablefor9]

Waynec;13655708:

That was my reaction. I’d be worried of course, but proud if my daughter chose to serve her country in whatever capacity she wanted to pursue.

Chose. Chose is the key word, here.

Also, I think it is callous to disregard the lives of young women by saying something that smacks a bit too much of you-get-what-you-get-and-don’t-pitch-a-fit-you-uppity-women.

 

[Tablefor9]

I don’t have a problem specifically with women being drafted. If anything I have a problem with anyone being drafted. But if women are going to be given the vote then they need to be forced to sacrifice like men are. To some it may seem odd, though it shouldn’t, but I think women’s suffrage has been associated with less peace and more and worse violence. If women knew they might have to die in the wars they support there might be more peace.

The burden is on you to prove the causal relationship, if what you say is even valid (I’m not convinced that it is). There’s nothing wrong with the female mind and reason, but women are physically different than men. That’s why the vast, vast majority of women who tried to qualify for ranger training weren’t up to scratch.

And BTW–men, who can die in war, are not the only ones who sacrifice. I come from a military family and live in a military town. You should walk with me while I labor moms and work with moms who have deployed husbands, watch them shoulder everything while their men are TDY or deployed, hold their hands while they wait for the next whatever, and then try to help their husband (who is not the same) put it back together when he gets back.

 

[MaryT777]

This is my concern.
I am opposed to a mandatory draft for women.
I have no problem with voluntary service on the part of women but
there are real differences between men and women that do not in
any way make women “inferior:” but there are differences.
And here’s one thing many people have not thought of:
It can take just a few males, even older males, to repopulate a village, if need be.
But most fertile women can only bear maybe 10-12 children throughout her lifetime and only that if she starts young. A woman’s prime fertility is between ages 18-30.
So a good way to wipe out a population would be to kill off young fertile women in combat.
I wouldn’t have as much of a problem is say, in a national emergency, all young people were drafted with the females staying mainly in non-combat, or office or other roles, but sorry I am opposed to women in combat- at least on a mandatory basis.
Also, this is not even mentioning the disparities in strength, stamina, and the fact that the enemy would likely have no problem sexually assaulting a female captive.

Well said.
Mary.

 

[Joe_Corn]

An essential characteristic of manhood is chivalry. The loss of chivalry is the loss of manhood.

The arguments for drafting women are sad. Many seek to punish all women, young girls not even born yet for the attitudes of today’s and yesterdays feminists. “Well, they wanted equality…”

My daughter is not a feminist - she wants to get married to a good man, have children and raise them to be good catholics. She and many other young girls should not be sentenced to the horrors of war to satisfy the bitterness of men who feel aggrieved by the women’s movement.

The real purpose of the women’s movement was not equal rights, it was to divide the sexes and destroy the family.

Anyone who would send a woman to war against her will is a sadist and any man who would force an 18 yr old girl to do his fighting is worse than a coward!

 

[Tablefor9]

An essential characteristic of manhood is chivalry. The loss of chivalry is the loss of manhood.

The arguments for drafting women are sad. Many seek to punish all women, young girls not even born yet for the attitudes of today’s and yesterdays feminists. “Well, they wanted equality…”

My daughter is not a feminist - she wants to get married to a good man, have children and raise them to be good catholics. She and many other young girls should not be sentenced to the horrors of war to satisfy the bitterness of men who feel aggrieved by the women’s movement.

The real purpose of the women’s movement was not equal rights, it was to divide the sexes and destroy the family.

Anyone who would send a woman to war against her will is a sadist and any man who would force an 18 yr old girl to do his fighting is worse than a coward!

 

[Vanny]

I don’t think we need to worry about young women being killed in war and not being able to bear children to repopulate the world. Here in America young women of child bearing age kill their babies in the womb. At the tune of 1 million a year. Go figure!

I agree abortion is terrible and we have killed off a large portion of our young people since 1973(Maybe that’s why they need to think about drafting women).
But killing off young women of childbearing age would really gut the population just like China and it’s forced abortion program and all the missing females.
Now they realize they have a serious problem.
I’m all for voluntary female service.

 

[Sarcelle]

I don’t have a problem specifically with women being drafted. If anything I have a problem with anyone being drafted. But if women are going to be given the vote then they need to be forced to sacrifice like men are. To some it may seem odd, though it shouldn’t, but I think women’s suffrage has been associated with less peace and more and worse violence. If women knew they might have to die in the wars they support there might be more peace.

You can say the same thing for senior citizens. Should we rescind their right to vote because they are exempted from the draft? How about the handicapped?

 

[Sarcelle]

My grandfather was drafted in 1951 to the Army during the Korean War. He received his draft notice the day he and my grandmother returned home from their honeymoon. Within two weeks of marriage he was in basic training and shipped overseas for two years.

That part isn’t (name removed by moderator)ortant to the topic at hand, even though it did essentially doom them to 50 years of unhappy marriage. What is important was that he was sent to Okinawa to work as a supply clerk. He never saw action, thank goodness. But the island was crawling with important support staff. It seems to me that a woman would do just as well as he did filing papers and driving a truck. So why can’t they be drafted for roles like this?

I think they are talking about positions that see direct combat.

 

[two_treasures]

An essential characteristic of manhood is chivalry. The loss of chivalry is the loss of manhood.

The arguments for drafting women are sad. Many seek to punish all women, young girls not even born yet for the attitudes of today’s and yesterdays feminists. “Well, they wanted equality…”

My daughter is not a feminist - she wants to get married to a good man, have children and raise them to be good catholics. She and many other young girls should not be sentenced to the horrors of war to satisfy the bitterness of men who feel aggrieved by the women’s movement.

The real purpose of the women’s movement was not equal rights, it was to divide the sexes and destroy the family.

Anyone who would send a woman to war against her will is a sadist and any man who would force an 18 yr old girl to do his fighting is worse than a coward!

Thank you…

 

[Sarcelle]

I agree abortion is terrible and we have killed off a large portion of our young people since 1973(Maybe that’s why they need to think about drafting women).
But killing off young women of childbearing age would really gut the population just like China and it’s forced abortion program and all the missing females.
Now they realize they have a serious problem.
I’m all for voluntary female service.

Switzerland has the mandatory draft for men and voluntary service for women. Seems to work but then again, Switzerland is not the world’s policeman like the U.S.

 

[Sarcelle]

Padres1969;13656018:

Chose. Chose is the key word, here.

Also, I think it is callous to disregard the lives of young women by saying something that smacks a bit too much of you-get-what-you-get-and-don’t-pitch-a-fit-you-uppity-women.

This is what disturbs me too. Quite a few men here are saying if only women behaved and acknowledged their inferiority to men than they would be kept safe. If they behaved too uppity throw them to the enemy.

 

[Sarcelle]

An essential characteristic of manhood is chivalry. The loss of chivalry is the loss of manhood.

The arguments for drafting women are sad. Many seek to punish all women, young girls not even born yet for the attitudes of today’s and yesterdays feminists. “Well, they wanted equality…”

My daughter is not a feminist - she wants to get married to a good man, have children and raise them to be good catholics. She and many other young girls should not be sentenced to the horrors of war to satisfy the bitterness of men who feel aggrieved by the women’s movement.

The real purpose of the women’s movement was not equal rights, it was to divide the sexes and destroy the family.

Anyone who would send a woman to war against her will is a sadist and any man who would force an 18 yr old girl to do his fighting is worse than a coward!

Your post reminds me of a post in a thread discussing the sexual assaults which happened in Germany. A male poster opined that because of feminism, if he comes across a girl or woman being dragged to be raped he will do nothing.

 

[Padres1969]

Tablefor9;13660732:

This is what disturbs me too. Quite a few men here are saying if only women behaved and acknowledged their inferiority to men than they would be kept safe. If they behaved too uppity throw them to the enemy.

Who is saying that?

 

[Sarcelle]

Sarcelle;13666669:

Who is saying that?

It is all coming out in the “if women want to be equal” than they should also be included in the draft.

What is the opposite of equal? It is either inferior or superior. I am leaning towards inferior.

There have been several threads addressing the draft of women. The constant theme of “if women want to be equal than they should deserve to be drafted”.

I hold the opinion that an all volunteer force will be much better than a drafted force so I oppose the draft for both men and women.

 

[exnihilo]

And BTW–men, who can die in war, are not the only ones who sacrifice. I come from a military family and live in a military town. You should walk with me while I labor moms and work with moms who have deployed husbands, watch them shoulder everything while their men are TDY or deployed, hold their hands while they wait for the next whatever, and then try to help their husband (who is not the same) put it back together when he gets back.

I don’t disagree that wives and family of deployed men face difficulties. But that is nothing compared to what the men sent to combat suffer. The men who aren’t killed or injured in combat frequently have mental wounds that last a lifetime.

You can say the same thing for senior citizens. Should we rescind their right to vote because they are exempted from the draft? How about the handicapped?

I’m not a fan of democracy so I don’t have any interest in defending the vote for anyone. There are many reasons I would see as good for not allowing certain classes to vote. A difference here is that the aged would have faced the draft at one time. The handicap would be unfit for service due to an abnormality. Womanhood is not a phase of life or an abnormality.

Women in general have been advocating for equality for a long time. But from what I see they want what they perceive as the privileges of men without any of the responsibility. I have no problems with a chivalrous society. I do have problems with the terribly unfair society we have created.

 

[SilverLight]

Look if our planet is attacked by some other race out there or its nearing the end and some country is out of control. The military can come and ask me to fight to the bitter end if they want to. I will fight for my species when I need to.

 

[SilverLight]

Waynec;13655708:

I don’t think it’s harsh to say that my girls want the honor of teaching the next generation of Christians and building a culture of charity and grace, not to be blown up by an IED while their mom raises their kids.

IMHO the statement “well they should have said something before” is disingenuous, because my girls (ages 9-13–just old enough for this to hit home for me) had no part in the discussion. I have said something, repeatedly, about the fact that I don’t believe women should be in combat; there are plenty of good reasons why not, but let’s start with the fact that you don’t send moms and potential moms out to be enemy targets.

The failure of men in this country to stand as protectors of their moms/sisters/wives may be a bitter reaction against some virulent forms of feminism, but it’s no less disgusting. I still teach my sons to open doors for ladies and walk on the street side. They don’t want their sisters going off to die for them; I wish others were as considerate.

I don’t want to be drafted I guess but if the world is at stake and its really bad I want to help. I would love to be a sniper if I could be.