Evangelicalism, Pentacostalism, Arminianism, Catholicism, etc

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Don’t mind Latin. He’s a a Calvinist as regards the will, but a universalist as regards salvation. While trying to reconcile it all with Catholic teaching. The main thing to consider in all this is that the will of man plays a role, to whatever degree, because God has deemed that to be good, for His purposes. The Church teaches therefore that man’s choices are used by God in his own perfecting. Looked at from the big perspective the gospel makes little sense without man’s will involved, nor does the bible, from Genesis through Revelation. Anyway, both Arminianism and Catholicism support this truth.
 
The Church teaches therefore that man’s choices are used by God in his own perfecting.
I don’t believe anyone can deny the above statement.

The question is not, that man’s choices are used by God in his own perfecting, God uses man’s choices by his own perfecting.

1 Cor.4:7; … What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

John 15:5; … for without me , you can do nothing .

The question is:
Can we choose and do something without God, without He wills it (without God infused into us the desire and the will to choose something and to do something) and His cooperation in our choice and act by providing the power of operation for our choices and acts?

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THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTION AS FOLLOWS

Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott;

For every salutary act internal supernatural grace of God (gratia elevans) is absolutely necessary, (De fide).

There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will, (De fide).
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308 The truth that God is at work in all the actions of his creatures is inseparable from faith in God the Creator.
God is the first cause who operates in and through secondary causes:
"For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure."171
Far from diminishing the creature’s dignity, this truth enhances it.

2022; “The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man. Grace responds to the deepest yearnings of human freedom, calls freedom to cooperate with it, and perfects freedom.”

307 God thus enables men to be intelligent and free causes in order to complete the work of creation, … Though often unconscious collaborators with God’s will, … “God’s fellow workers” and co-workers for his kingdom.
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As we see above, God CAUSES our willing and choosing and we don’t have to make a conscious decision to cooperate or not with His graces, we do it even unconsciously, we can do it also consciously.

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CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Free Will explains;

“God is the author of all causes and effects, but is not the author of sin, because an action ceases to be sin if God wills it to happen. Still God is the cause of sin.
God’s omnipotent providence exercises a complete and perfect control over all events that happen, or will happen, in the universe.”
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“The Divine will is cause of all things that happens, as Augustine says (De Trin. iii, 1 seqq.). Therefore all things are subject to fate.

The same is true for events in our lives. Relative to us they often appear to be by chance.
But relative to God, who directs everything according to his divine plan, nothing occurs by chance.

Hence if this divine influence stopped, every operation would stop.
Every operation, therefore, of anything is traced back to Him as its cause.” (Summa Contra Gentiles, Book III.)
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In my opinion: The Core of Catholic Theology is summed up in the above statements.
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On the other hand, people don’t reject God’s grace. God just never reaches out to those who aren’t saved to begin with.
Intriguing. In this Calvinist belief you can see the seeds of a belief that there is no reality of hell. It seems cruel to never really give people a fighting chance to attain faith, then send them to hell for not believing what they never had access to in the first place. Troubling how one wrong belief can lead to other wrong beliefs. We are so easily misled. Goes back to building on a solid and true foundation I guess.
 
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