Evangelicals don't have valid marriage?

[mrsdizzyd]

Victor, your wife doesn’t have to agree. This is why you need to talk to your priest. If you qualify for a radical sanation, your wife will play no role in making your marriage right with the church.

 

[EvangelistVictor]

In talking to my Catholic friends, they said the CC makes it too difficult for people like me to come home.

 

[EvangelistVictor]

Victor, your wife doesn’t have to agree. This is why you need to talk to your priest. If you qualify for a radical sanitation, your wife will play no role in making your marriage right with the church

Yea, I’ll need to look into this. Thanks

 

[Wesrock]

A radical sanation can be done to make a marriage valid. It can be done without the other spouse needing to do a convalidation ceremony. It’s preferred that the other spouse at least know about it, but if it would cause serious trouble in your relationship it can be done without informing her of it at all. I don’t know all the ins and outs, but you should speak to a priest about it, because it can be done without her participation.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

In talking to my Catholic friends, they said the CC makes it too difficult for people like me to come home.

So you are being tested by the devil. Will you let him win or will you say “Get behind me Satan”?

 

[EvangelistVictor]

Yea, it feels like a strong attack saying go back to your true Pentecostal Church where the gifts of the Spirit used to flow through you. I miss those days.

 

[Wesrock]

In talking to my Catholic friends, they said the CC makes it too difficult for people like me to come home.

It does feel like barriers are thrown up sometimes. The motivation isn’t to make red tape, though. The Church takes the sanctity and permanence of the sacrament of marriage seriously, and its concern is that it helps its members on the path to holiness. If the Church were being sleazy on the matter, they would do what they could to increase membership even if it meant straying from Christ’s word. “Throwing up barriers” to reduce membership in the name of upholding Christ’s teaching would not be beneficial for selfish motives.

 

[mrsdizzyd]

Yea, it feels like a strong attack saying go back to your true Pentecostal Church where the gifts of the Spirit used to flow through you. I miss those days.

You now know The Truth, you have it within you to persevere. Submit to the will of God.

 

[1ke]

Well this is currently impossible to do as the other half refuses to believe this.

Speak to your pastor about radical sanation. There is no new exchange of consent and your spouse need not be involved at all, or even informed.

 

[1ke]

In talking to my Catholic friends, they said the CC makes it too difficult for people like me to come home.

A lot of well meaning Catholics are, frankly, pretty ignorant of Church teaching and Church law.

Speak to your pastor!

 

[guanophore]

Well I’ve heard one is considered not in a state of grace because he wasn’t married in the CC.

This would be the case for a baptized Catholic who did not comply with canon law. Unfortunately, most Catholics are not familiar with Canon Law.

 

[phil19034]

But can such a person receive the eucharist, in a non-sacramental marriage? I heard they cannot, even though baptized, and have their 1st communion.

Yes they can. I am in a natural marriage and I’m in 100% full communion with the Church.

I can received communion, I can be a God Father, I could become a Deacon, etc.

There is actually a Catholic Priest (who was a convert from the Anglican Church) who is married to a Jewish Woman. He’s not in a Sacarmental Marriage, but he’s in a validly recognized Natural Marriage.

I pray this helps.

 

[phil19034]

Yes, but are we not in a state of grace and not to receive communion as of now?

That can be fixed. Are either of you divorced?

 

[phil19034]

Where are you hearing these things? I think your source is off.

But yes, a Catholic could be in a non-sacramental marriage and be totally fine to receive communion, provided they got the appropriate dispensations prior to the marriage.

OR AFTER by receiving a convalidation or Radical Sanation afterwards

 

[EvangelistVictor]

That can be fixed. Are either of you divorced?

Nope. 13 years married faithfully. Most my friends and family have divorced. Very fallen world we live in.

 

[phil19034]

Well this is currently impossible to do as the other half refuses to believe this.

No it’s not. My wife is Jewish and refused to have a convalidation. So I simply received a Radical Sanation instead.

What the Radical Sanation does it confirms that you understood what marriage is at the time of your wedding. Then, you are basically granted a retroactive dispensation.

You would not be remarried. The Church would retroactively recognize your marriage just as if your had received a dispensation.

NOTE: it sometimes takes a little bit of waiting because the Church prefers your to receive a convalidation. So a priest might ask you to pray on it for a while and determine if there is not way to convince your spouse to convalidate (but the priest will NOT want you to hurt your marriage).

The Radical Sanation can be just you, if you spouse wants nothing to do with it.

If your spouse does not participate, the Church will simply ask you to inform you spouse that you promised to do everything within your power WITHOUT HURTING YOUR MARRIAGE to teach your kids the Catholic Faith. But if the spouse say no, the spouse comes first. You just have to do whatever you can HONESTLY do without hurting your marriage.

If you have questions, feel free to ask me. Like I said, my wife is Jewish and a little anti-Catholic.

 

[phil19034]

mrsdizzyd:

I don’t think this is a dooms day scenario. Honestly, I am perplexed as to why your reaction is what it is. You seemed on fire about coming back to the Church and finding truth here. Now, you seem ready to cast it all aside. Is the devil testing you, and will you so easily let him win

Its my other half that doesn’t agree. Im willing and ready for the Sacrament, but now it seems like I hit a brick wall.

Again, you have not. You simply need a Radical Sanation

 

[phil19034]

In talking to my Catholic friends, they said the CC makes it too difficult for people like me to come home.

That’s because your Catholic friends have no idea what they are talking about.

99% of Catholics have never heard of a Radical Sanction.

The problem is that most people take the word of Catholic fiends and family without ever talking to a priest.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

That can be fixed. Are either of you divorced?

Nope. 13 years married faithfully. Most my friends and family have divorced. Very fallen world we live in.

Good, you should be able to receive a Radical Sanation.

Ask the priest specifically for that.

NOTE: he MIGHT have to talk with the diocese. Many priests rarely are involved with Radical Sanations and might even forget about them or be unsure of the process.

When I received mine, I took what I learned here at Catholic Answers and told the priest. He actually thought that he could just give it to me, but when I questioned him about paper work, he though about it and called the Diocese. Because of course there is paperwork

But for good reason. You don’t want a priest to tell you that you can be a God Father one day.

Also, the Radical Sanation is signed by the Bishop. Each diocese does it a little different, but essentially, the Church just wants to know that your understanding of Marriage is the Christian understanding of marriage. So it’s kind of like an interview.

But it’s a wonderful experience.

God Bless

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

See, here it is again, invalid marriage. Not a real marriage.

More like not a marriage that followed the Catholic rules. But the good news is, this can be fixed. Talk to your pastor and see how to move past this. The key thing is that your pastor can help if you give him a chance.