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manx
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Yap… you bet. Islam’s version of Jesus’ return is something to reflect on. He will break the cross, kill the anti-Christ and the swine and lead the Muslims in prayer. Quite an exciting event to witness.
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manx
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Here is just one of them: Converts To Islam After 9/11
I am sure you know how to use google if you want to find more.
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Cyber_Knight
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Hmmm… I wonder if Muhammad go to heaven or hell… because up till now he needs muslims to pray for him
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cleobanzj
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And you want to stop me from waking people up??? Because I will get a fatwa? People like you becomes dhimmis.
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inJESUS
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yes interesting but sad…cuz you will be following the Anti-Christ, just like you do now…break the cross? lol. Jesus the Holy, on the footsteps of someone like mohammad? yea sure.
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exoflare
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LOL all this article even discusses is the testimony of ONE particular convert, followed by some heresay and vague remarks about unreferenced statistics by various other Muslims.
The request was for a reliable source backed up with tangible statistics, not a link to yet another Islamic propaganda site! Before I even clicked on the link, I thought “I’ll bet once I hover the mouse over the link, the url will have some blatantly Muslim name…”
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murtad
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I can see you do not understand concept of “race”, “ethnicity”, “gentile”, and “language”. These all mean the same thing. In the times of our Lord Jesus, there was no such thing like White supremacy for the Romans considered anyone who spoke Latin as Latins by race and thus Roman citizens. The Apostle Paul was a Black man who had the gift to speak in various tongues, such as Hebrew, Aramaic, Coptic, Greek and Latin. As he was a Latin-speaking man he was given Roman citizenship.
A study of etymology shows us that the word “ethnic” is a Greek word, while the word “gentile” is a Latin word. Both mean the same thing as the English word “race”.
Therefore, we come to only one conclusion, all humans are biologically similar as we are one species who have common parents Adam and Eve.
Let us now discuss, what is meant by “racism”. This English word was invented by left-wing (marxists and islamists) to stigmatise Christian peoples (whether Greek or Jewish). In contemporary English, “racism” and “racist” are vulgar words used to insult those who do not agree with the agenda of the left-wing.
You may ask: how about white supremacy? Is that not racism? I will reply: there is no such thing as “white supremacy” or for that matter supremacy of 4 colours of humanity, black, white, yellow and brown. All 4 colours are human and equal. Due to rise of godless atheism in the West, people lose their culture and identity and then resort to biological identity like skin-color, homosexuality and prostitution as godless atheism is of limited intelect and leads its followers to disgusting immoral behaviour.
Return back to culture and culture will dictate we inter-marry among blacks, whites, yellows and browns. This is the way to ensure that the children of Adam will be one people.
Muslims are an Arab ethnic group as all Muslims (including Malaysian Muslims) worship in Arabic Rites to the direction of the Arab city, Makkah. Lebanonese ethnic group worships in Maronite dialect of Aramaic, while Syrian ethnic group worships in Syriac dialect of Aramaic, and lastly Turkmen worship in Turkmen language rites. Ethnicity or race is language.
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LilyM
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I’ve done a fair bit of Roman history, Murtad, I’ll have to disagree with you. The Romans had different levels of status and legal rights - ‘Latin rights’, ‘Italian rights’, ‘friend and ally status’ and others. There were also different ‘classes’ and ‘tribes’ of voters (depending partly on your ancestry) and everyone’s vote was far from being equal. Not to mention that you pretty much had to live permanently in Rome to have any chance of participating in the system - they didn’t have postal votes or proportional representation or anything. It was certainly discriminatory against both poor people and foreigners.
Paul had the right to be tried under the Roman legal system and appeal his case to Rome, but there’s no way he could have become a high (or even high-ish) official in the Roman bureaucracy, for example, or a Senator, regardless of whether or not he spoke Latin. The blueblooded patrician Romans really looked down their noses even at people who were from other parts of Italy, let alone other countries. And what gives you the idea that Paul was black? I’ve seen nothing that would indicate this.
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murtad
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Not exactly the same thing that I had in mind. However, the reason you gave above is a perfectly valid reason. You are right to say that Islamists try to white wash the outside of Islam (ie rebranding with new names), while the inside is very dirty (ie. its founder and his 4 successors called rightly guided caliphs) were true Nazis. They forced the predominantly non-Arab majority Byzantine territories (known today as the Arab world) to change their race by simplying forgeting their ethnic identity. In Egypt, the Muslim-majority see themselves as Arabs not Copts. These Muslims lost ability to speak or worship in Coptic due to over 1000 years of Islamic rule and ban on Muslims using Coptic. A Hadith (a saying of Muhammad) tells Muslims that anyone who speaks Arabic is an Arab, and another Hadith says Copts are inferior race. This is why Muslims hate the Coptic language, which they perceive the language of their pagan ancestors.
The thing I had in mind, when I refered the Pharisees as Islamists is what I read in the Book of Galatians in the Bible. There, we Christians will read something interesting. St. Paul, Apostle of the Gentiles was refering those Pharisees who want to be under the Law as the son of Hagar (ie. Ishmael) while, he calls the those who are above the Law as the children of promise, free people, like the son of Sarah the Hebrew (ie Isaac).
We are Christians by our own free-will, and not by compulsion of the Law. Most Muslims, OTOH are Muslims not by their free-will but by compulsion of the Law like the Pharisees. They fear the Law and not God. In Iraq, when the Saddam Hussein dictatorial government was overthrown, we saw a state of lawlessness occuring. What did the Muslims do? The looted the central bank and priceless artifacts and engaged in terrorism. This is proof that most Muslims do not fear God but only the law of the dictator.
This is why almost all Muslim societies, take Iran as an example have very strict laws such as public stoning of adulterers and murderers to death. These governments ruled by Pharisees want to make people afraid of the Law, rather than fear of God.
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murtad
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You are correct that Paul was not the pre-crucifixtion 12 apostles.
However, you are wrong to say that Paul was not directly from our Lord Jesus. In fact, he was chosen by our Lord Jesus to succeed Judas who committed suicide. Lord Jesus did not accept the 11 Apostles’ choice of Matthias who was chosen by lots not by God. The Bible and the Sacred Tradition of the Church is very clear on this.
As Christians, we must accept Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles met Lord Jesus who struck him blind. He repented and his sight restored. This man who once persecuted Christians and the Catholic Church became Apostle of the Lord to the Gentiles. He saved many souls in darkness and brought to the light of our Lord Jesus.
He should be an example to members of the Catholic Church.
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murtad
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If it is not Arabic language, can you cite the name of the Coptic language manuscript, so we can verify it for ourself? I doubt you can read Coptic, which until today continues to be the official liturgical language of both Coptic Orthodox Church and Coptic Catholic Church. The Copts for 2,000 years continue to worship in Coptic and not Arabic.
This is a lie to say the new Spanish crown expelled every Jew. There were many Jews who lived in Spain who openly continued to practise Judaism until the Nazi Holocaust in the 20th century, when 6 million Jews, both German and Spanish were massacred by a Muslim named, Adolf Hitler.
Also, Muslim Spain was known for its persecution of Jewish people. Remember, Moses Maimonedes (aka The Rambam) who was forced to convert to Muslim on the pain of death? Read history and you will see the persecution of Jews by Muslims, ultimately led to the fall of Islamic Spain to the Christian armies. In fact, many Jews felt Christian rule was much better as the new Christian rulers did not persecute Jews but gave them vast autonomy to run their own affairs. As to the later life of Rambam, he fled to Muslim Egypt so that he could revert back to a Jew and openly practise Judaism.
So, when will Islam apologise to Judaism for persecution of Jewish people in Muslim-ruled Spain? What kind of compensation will the Muslims pay Jews and Christians?
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Shadowcry
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A muslim named Adolf Hitler?! Lol Murtad I believe your hate has consumed your logic by now.
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Cyber_Knight
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Murtad… I hope you made a correction about Adolf of being a muslim. or else you must provide the link or evidence.
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Shadowcry
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Which there is not. Frankly there is more evidence of him being a Catholic but he isn’t that either. Hes just a person who would screw up any religion he was born into in order to put forward his political goals.
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pro_universal
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Go look at the fordham website. It’s cited there for you.
No it’s not. It happened concurrently with the expansion towards the Americas. All jews were expelled from Spain on pain of death, and even converts to Christianity were mistreated. That is the time of the infamous “inquisition” that everyone refers to when they want to demonize the inquisition process.
Okay, do you see the contradiction there? He fled to Egypt so he could practice his religion again. Many, many Jews fled Spain for the Ottoman empire at the same time period, because the Ottomans welcomed them…they considered having Jewish immigrants a military advantage, since they respected the learning and leadership capabilities of the Jewish community.
There was no paraellel anywhere in Europe at the time.
You need to read my posts and even your own posts. Muslims in Spain treated Jews with more respect and protected them more than any other country at the time. When the Muslims were driven out completely, Spain then turned to expelling all the Jews, and killing those who stayed and even some of those who converted.
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The Jews in Spain were also dhimmi. No non muslims were well treated in Islamic Spain. After finally driving out the invaders the Spanish didn’t trust anyone. Hard to blame them after centuries of moorish oppression. They got pretty paranoid.
But instead of history let’s look at the world today. How are Jews treated in Saudi Arabia? How are Christians treated in Sudan? You get the picture. We can go to todays news to find Muslim atrocities.
But instead of history let’s look at the world today. How are Jews treated in Saudi Arabia? How are Christians treated in Sudan? You get the picture. We can go to todays news to find Muslim atrocities.
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pro_universal
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Except that the people who reconquered Spain didn’t live under Moorish oppression. They were mainly the marauding fiefdoms from the North who did the fighting, and yes, we should blame them for being rabidly anti-semitic and killing Jews. They were racists (you can see that in the Spanish laws on “racial purity” that developed around that time) and they tried to kill every Jew in Spain. It was a bloodthirsty, violent time, and there is no justifying it.
Right, and does the fact that Spain was a racist and violent nation at one point mean that Christianity is inherently violent?
I have a question for you: Does injustice in muslim countries justify violence against muslims who live in the west?
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murtad
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I already looked and read that fordham website, not once but five times. It does not mention the original manuscript sources at all. I am unable to verify what the fordham website says is truth. I do not want English documents, I want Coptic language source documents. As I am a linguist trained in languages of the Bible, such as Latin, Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Geez and Greek, I can easily understand documents written in these languages.
You are lying and we can see this from your comment above. For from my sources, I get this:
“The Inquisition had jurisdiction only over those who professed to be Catholics, not over professing Jews. The purpose of the inquisition was to preserve the Faith of the baptised. However, some historians have interpreted the Inquisition as an attack on this diversity of faith in Spain.”
I can only conclude that Jews were not expuled from Spain. OTOH, Christian heretics were tried, and if found guilty of practising a non-Christian religion while still being Christian were sentenced to death. The Spanish Inquisition had jurisdiction over those Spanish citizens who were Christians, while non-Christians were not harmed in anyway. Of course, if any non-Christian fled, they did so on their own without compulsion from Christians.
Are you deliberately misunderstanding me? FYI, it was the Muslim government of Spain who forced Maimonedes (the Rambam) to convert to Islam on the pain of death. Maimonedes converted to Islam but later fled to Egypt where nobody knew him and left Islam there. In Egypt, he became a good friend and chief physician of Saladin the Kurd. The Turkish-led Ottoman empire, AFAIK did not exist yet, but rather Saladin the Kurd was Caliph of Islam at that time.
Yes, there was parallel. We call it Christian Spain. Since you do not even get your history correct and confuse Ottoman Empire with Saladin the Kurd and Muslim Spain, I find it hard to have rational discussion with you.
I have read both my posts and your posts. I notice you are either confused on history or are lying as you are in desperation.
When you say, “Muslims in Spain treated Jews with more respect and protected them more than any other country at the time” you lie as Moses Maimonedes (aka The Rambam) the leader of the Spanish Jews was forced to convert to Islam on the pain of death. To save his own life, he converted to Islam and later fled to Egypt where he renounced Islam. In Egypt, Maimonedes became a good friend of Saladin the Kurd and was made his chief physician.
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murtad
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Cyber Knight:
catholicmission.org.my/answering-islam/personality/hitler.htm
According to this link, many Muslims colloborated with Adolf Hitler, especially in Yugoslavia and Ukraine. In World War 1, Germany allied with the Caliph of Islam, leader of the Ottoman Empire to declare war upon Christians. The website concludes that in both wars, German leaders were guilty of being Muslims.
Lord Jesus said: “faith without works is dead”
We must prove our faith by our works to justify we are real Catholic Christians.
I got this from the following link:
catholicmission.org.my/answering-islam/personality/hitler.htm
According to this link, many Muslims colloborated with Adolf Hitler, especially in Yugoslavia and Ukraine. In World War 1, Germany allied with the Caliph of Islam, leader of the Ottoman Empire to declare war upon Christians. The website concludes that in both wars, German leaders were guilty of being Muslims.
Lord Jesus said: “faith without works is dead”
We must prove our faith by our works to justify we are real Catholic Christians.
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pro_universal
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Murtad,
It is an english translation of a coptic writing that you are reading. Please see it for citation. The name of the work is there, and you can go read it if you want in whatever language you wish. Your only basis at this point for claiming the source is questionable is that it doesn’t fit your view. That is because your view is incorrect.
sephardicstudies.org/decree.html
As for Maimonides:
How do explain the fact that Muslims mourned his death by fasting, and that they had put him as a Jew through the best teachers in Muslim Spain, if they in fact hated Jews?
Your theory does not make any sense, since if the muslims were required to and always did hate Jews, he would’ve been persecuted from the start.
It is an english translation of a coptic writing that you are reading. Please see it for citation. The name of the work is there, and you can go read it if you want in whatever language you wish. Your only basis at this point for claiming the source is questionable is that it doesn’t fit your view. That is because your view is incorrect.
Here is the edict of expulsion in 1492 for you:
sephardicstudies.org/decree.html
Murtad, you also said:
The expulsion happened in 1492. Saladin the Kurd was long dead, and in Saladin’s time, Christians still did not control all of Spain. The Turks even then had already been in the Asia minor for centuries.
As for Maimonides:
jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=905&letter=M
How do explain the fact that Muslims mourned his death by fasting, and that they had put him as a Jew through the best teachers in Muslim Spain, if they in fact hated Jews?
Your theory does not make any sense, since if the muslims were required to and always did hate Jews, he would’ve been persecuted from the start.
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