Evangelist Pat Robertson: Islamic Radicals Might Be the ‘Best Thing That Ever Happened to the World’

[Pythons]

I will not venture an opinion on why there has been a change in the Church’s stance toward islam. I merely state facts and the position of the Church for many centuries.

The Catholic Church doesn’t “change” it’s teaching - it may, out of charity, describe a condition differently, more softly, etc…
…But the Core truth remains the same.

I’m with you Pulvis…
…Even Catholic Answers is.
…Unfortunately political correctness has been mistaken for the truth in this case.

catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do

 

[ringil]

The Catholic Church doesn’t “change” it’s teaching - it may, out of charity, describe a condition differently, more softly, etc…
…But the Core truth remains the same.

I’m with you Pulvis…
…Even Catholic Answers is.
…Unfortunately political correctness has been mistaken for the truth in this case.

catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do

But what is the core?

Certainly Islam, like Judaism rejects Jesus as the Lord. Islam is mistaken on fundamental aspects of correct theology.

However, the church has never charaterisd the faith of Islam as inherently violent. That is the mistake here

Oh, and the magisterium is not, nor ever has practiced what you are calling "political correctness. The church teaches truth, plain and simple

 

[Pythons]

But what is the core?

Certainly Islam, like Judaism rejects Jesus as the Lord. Islam is mistaken on fundamental aspects of correct theology.

However, the church has never charaterisd the faith of Islam as inherently violent. That is the mistake here

Oh, and the magisterium is not, nor ever has practiced what you are calling "political correctness. The church teaches truth, plain and simple

Does “The Church” have to tell us the Moon isn’t made of Cheese?

We have the Saints of the Church who spoke most LOUDLY on this subject…
…The Saint’s ( as does Scripture ) identify elements of anti-Christ.
…We can witness how Christians of any Church are treated in these areas.

Christians are being CULLED in the Middle East…
…This cant be denied.

 

[ringil]

Does “The Church” have to tell us the Moon isn’t made of Cheese?

We have the Saints of the Church who spoke most LOUDLY on this subject…
…The Saint’s ( as does Scripture ) identify elements of anti-Christ.
…We can witness how Christians of any Church are treated in these areas.

Christians are being CULLED in the Middle East…
…This cant be denied.

And we have saint JP2 kissing a Koran and praying with Muslims. We have Francis praying in a mosque.

The problem is evil and terror. Islam itself is not the problem

 

[EveningSkye111]

Anytime Robertson says something and gets called out, he will stay he’s sorry and move on.

Every time.

 

[EveningSkye111]

Too late to edit. I forgot to add “whether he IS sorry or not.”

 

[sallybutler]

I sometimes wonder if Mr. Robertson is not suffering from Alzheimer’s or senile dementia.

 

[JustaServant]

The Catholic Church doesn’t “change” it’s teaching - it may, out of charity, describe a condition differently, more softly, etc…
…But the Core truth remains the same.

I’m with you Pulvis…
…Even Catholic Answers is.
…Unfortunately political correctness has been mistaken for the truth in this case.

catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/do-muslims-worship-the-same-god-catholics-do

CA simply quotes the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it is NOT being “politically correct”.
Sorry if the Church you belong to won’t line up with your right-wing beliefs.

 

[Pythons]

But what is the core?

Certainly Islam, like Judaism rejects Jesus as the Lord. Islam is mistaken on fundamental aspects of correct theology.

However, the church has never charaterisd the faith of Islam as inherently violent. That is the mistake here

Oh, and the magisterium is not, nor ever has practiced what you are calling "political correctness. The church teaches truth, plain and simple

I’m not saying that the Magisterium practices “political correctness”…
…What I’m saying is that members of the Church do.

I’ll try to give an example.

"there is hope that very many from the abominable sect of Mahomet will be converted to the Catholic faith.” Seventeenth Ecumenical Council ( Basel ), Pope Eugene.

I agree with you ringil, THAT’s plain & simple truth…
…Does the Church need to classify Islam as inherently violent?

The Church agrees with “those things” Islam teaches which are not at odds with Christian teaching…
…The Church doesn’t go out of it’s way to be offensive & it certainly wouldn’t ( I would think ) define something that didn’t need to be.
…Perhaps I’m not understanding your point?

This isn’t slander against the people who had adopted that Faith…
…It’s “calling out” the actual religion - the call was for conversion.
…Other statements made by the Church make it clear this conversion was NOT to be by the sword.

 

[Pythons]

CA simply quotes the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it is NOT being “politically correct”.
Sorry if the Church you belong to won’t line up with your right-wing beliefs.

Knew it, you think me a “Right Winger”. That’s fine - go right ahead…
…I’m just a guy who has witnessed first hand those things in Islam that differ from Christianity.
…I’m also against gay marriage, abortion & other things too.

 

[commenter]

There really isn’t much coverage in the mass media that is actually anti-Muslim, in the religious sense. Every time they criticize some Muslim for an atrocity, they are quick to identify it as an isolated case. In recent years we have had an awful lot of isolated cases.

The media also is careful to separate each terrorist from their Muslim religion. They constantly emphasize that this terrorist act had nothing to do with the terrorist’s religion but is an outcome of political processes that he happened to be influenced by, apart from what he learned in Mosque.

Contrast this media coverage with Catholics, especially prolifers.

 

[Sarcelle]

Knew it, you think me a “Right Winger”. That’s fine - go right ahead…
…I’m just a guy who has witnessed first hand those things in Islam that differ from Christianity.
…I’m also against gay marriage, abortion & other things too.

I also do not get why people often conflate Islam with Muslims. Muslims are people who claim to follow the tenets of Islam. We of course know that ISIS is not representative of all Muslims.

However, are the members of ISIS acting the way they do because of what Islam teaches or in spite of what Islam teaches?

Too bad, there is no one Islamic Magisterium, that can tell us.

We definitely cannot judge the state of individual souls but we can definitely judge for ourselves what a given religion teaches.

 

[Pythons]

I also do not get why people often conflate Islam with Muslims. Muslims are people who claim to follow the tenets of Islam. We of course know that ISIS is not representative of all Muslims.

However, are the members of ISIS acting the way they do because of what Islam teaches or in spite of what Islam teaches?

Too bad, there is no one Islamic Magisterium, that can tell us.

We definitely cannot judge the state of individual souls but we can definitely judge for ourselves what a given religion teaches.

ISIS is “Fundamental” in it’s view of Islam - they are “Conservative” or better said “Ultra Devout”…
…Like a Fundamental Christian interprets the Bible LITERALLY word for word.
…This is what ISIS ( and many other conservative Muslims do ) with the Koran.

Because the New Testament of the Christian Canon is explicit in turning the other cheek & Islam is NOT…
…You don’t see Fundamentalist Christians doing those things we observe Fundamentalist Muslims do.

 

[benhur]

I do not believe radical islam to be representative of most Muslims. It would be like saying the Westboro baptists are a general representation of Christianity.

You know many European and American politicians had a hard time discerning the "nature’’ of Adolph Hitler during his rise to power and just before the Poland invasion.

The fact is every good Muslim believes someday, every knee will bend to the government under Allah and Muslim rule over all the Earth (much like we believe in Christ’s return and reign). The other fact is that within Muslim history and the Quaran ,“Westboro baptist” have their place as heroes, just as some peaceful, tolerating Muslim leaders do. Both are justified and proper in Islam. They are kind of like in OT times when it was OK to wipe out the “Hittites” yet live peaceably also like a Solomon if tribute is paid. While the peaceful ones disdain atrocities against non combatants, they also understand a proper time and place for jihad, and may feel now is not the time or place.

 

[Pythons]

If an individual who isn’t Muslim values their live, liberty & happiness AND they had to move to a new community…
…And that individual was only given two choices A) A Christian Fundamentalist Community OR B) An Islamic Fundamentalist Community.
…Which community would the individual likely move to?

The individual can be Buddhist, Hindu, American Indian Religion, Atheist, Christian ( of any Denomination ) or Agnostic…
…In which community ( A or B ) would the person be able to likely live their life un-molested?

This is the simple, straight forward way to approach the issue…
…The next would be to figure out what the difference is between Christian Fundamentalism & Islamic Fundamentalism.
…Does Fundamentalism mean something different when applied to Christianity than it does applied to Islam?

Just what is the difference?

 

[rfournier103]

Pat Robertson says that Islamic radicals might be the best thing that ever happened to the world?

I was always led to believe that the Birth, Life, Ministry, Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension of Our Lord Jesus Christ was the best thing to ever happen to the world.

Any Christian evangelist who does not believe THIS FACT is not worth listening to. At all.

Jes’ sayin’ is all…

 

[Pythons]

Succinct & well said!

Pat Robertson says that Islamic radicals might be the best thing that ever happened to the world?

I was always led to believe that the Birth, Life, Ministry, Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension of Our Lord Jesus Christ was the best thing to ever happen to the world.

Any Christian evangelist who does not believe THIS FACT is not worth listening to. At all.

Jes’ sayin’ is all…

 

[benhur]

Pat Robertson says that Islamic radicals might be the best thing that ever happened to the world?

I was always led to believe that the Birth, Life, Ministry, Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Ascension of Our Lord Jesus Christ was the best thing to ever happen to the world.

Any Christian evangelist who does not believe THIS FACT is not worth listening to. At all.

Wow! How to take things out of context to get your jab in.

Yet, “out of the abundance of the mouth the heart speaks” , and perhaps religion and politics is a tough mix and jabs can be given round the table.

Blessings

 

[rfournier103]

Wow! How to take things out of context to get your jab in.

Yet, “out of the abundance of the mouth the heart speaks” , and perhaps religion and politics is a tough mix and jabs can be given round the table.

Blessings

benhur, you have no idea how much I love to “get my jabs in”. As a rapper once said; “I drop bombs like I’m in Vietnam”.

All kidding aside, I am as disgusted as everyone else with the current state of affairs in regards to “radical Islam” and our persecuted Christian brethren across the globe. I just wonder when the world will do something about it.

It seems more and more to me that whenever something goes wrong in the world; if the US doesn’t man-up and do something about it, nothing gets done. The American public (and taxpayers) are tired of war. As am I. I want something to be done, but the decision-makers in Washington won’t risk the wrath of their constituencies by committing a large American task force to Syria and Iraq to stop the genocide.

Christians aren’t a trendy interest group right now. The votes aren’t there.

Not at the moment, anyway…

 

[Seamus_L]

I think radical Islam is flourishing due to the growth of decadent Western secularism.