Evangelization and Fraternal Correction seem futile

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The Catchism teaches that we are complicit in sin by silence. However, in my experience, my attempts at fraternal correction almost always fall on deaf ears, so I remain silent nowadays, since I know it won’t be heeded. For example, one of my classmates used Jesus’ Name profanely the other day. I said nothing, and prayed a “Father forgive them” for her.

But I still feel complicit in sin. I don’t say anything anymore because when I do I almost always say something stupid or inaccurate. So I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either I allow someone to sin by silence, or I drivd them further away by bad argument.

And please don’t use that Mother Teresa quote that God “calls us to be faithful, not successful”. If it’s God’s will for all to know and love Him, then why isn’t He aiding me when I’m trying to make Him known? I would at least like some evidence that my work in His vineyard is bearing fruit.
 
I would at least like some evidence that my work in His vineyard is bearing fruit.
You may never see such evidence, but that does not mean it doesn’t bear fruit. Your encounter with them may influence them at a time when you are not there to witness it. Even many years later. Or it may influence them immediately without you knowing it.

Don’t try so hard, let situations evolve more organically. It may be better to say something privately at a later time than right there on the spot.

Also if you suffer scruples, you may be seeing sin where there is none, or may be approaching people in an off-putting manner.
 
There is no need to correct everyone around you; it is an unpleasant practice.

What you might want to do is daily pray the Golden Arrow. It is a prayer said to be given by Jesus to a Carmelite nun in 1843 as a reparation for blasphemy.

The Golden Arrow

May the most holy, most sacred,
most adorable, most mysterious
and unutterable Name of God
be always praised, blessed,
loved, adored and glorified,
in heaven, on earth and under the earth,
by all the creatures of God,
and by the Sacred Heart of Our Lord Jesus Christ
in the most holy Sacrament of the altar.
 
I think we need to pick our battles. Sometimes we are in a situation where the person we are trying to reach has a belief system so radically different, than a Christian understanding of the world, that there really is no point in evangelizing to them. All we can do in that situation is to pray for them.

For instance, I have family members, who are ex-Catholics, who believe that anyone who is against abortion (even partial birth) is a fruitcake. They are anti-religious, socialist, secularists who know it is a human being, but believe that for the greater good of the woman, and society, the fetus should be euthanized in the womb regardless of its developmental stage. Consequentially, I really have no common ground to fight on with these people. So I just pray for them and others who think this way.
 
Saint Augustin tells us the more we examine ourselves, the lesser the sins and indiscretions of others seem to be… so by concentrating on our own faults, we may lead by example and perhaps others will take note and modify their own behaviors.
 
You only have an obligation to fraternally correct others if there is a good chance that your advice will be accepted.

www.newadvent.org/cathen/04394a.htm

FWIW, I also often feel helpless with others and trying to evangelize them. But it does help knowing that God’s grace is greater than I am, and since God is infinitely beyond my comprehension then how could I expect to know exactly how he is working in others’ lives? All I need to know is that the Holy Trinity is working, and that is enough.
 
A priest on a retreat last October gave a great homily about this. He said evangelization is like playing the progressive slot machines at a casino.

The way progressive slots work, is each play moves closer to winning. So if I play five times, I may not win anything. The next person might win after two tries, but if I hadn’t played first it would still take seven tries from where the machine was when I sat down.

The same is true of evangelization. I’ve spent years working on a close friend who has left the Church. He still calls himself Catholic, but refuses to follow the Church, rejects the Bible as being the Word of God, and when pressed will describe himself as “spiritual, not religious.”

For all I know, he is going to call me tomorrow and tell me he’s returned to the faith because of something someone said or did recently. It may be something I’ve said a hundred times, but it finally connected. It might not connect at all if I tried once and gave up. Each moment we witness to Christ in word and deed brings someone closer to Him.

So don’t give up hope!
 
The Catchism teaches that we are complicit in sin by silence. However, in my experience, my attempts at fraternal correction almost always fall on deaf ears, so I remain silent nowadays, since I know it won’t be heeded. For example, one of my classmates used Jesus’ Name profanely the other day. I said nothing, and prayed a “Father forgive them” for her.

But I still feel complicit in sin. I don’t say anything anymore because when I do I almost always say something stupid or inaccurate. So I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either I allow someone to sin by silence, or I drivd them further away by bad argument.

And please don’t use that Mother Teresa quote that God “calls us to be faithful, not successful”. If it’s God’s will for all to know and love Him, then why isn’t He aiding me when I’m trying to make Him known? I would at least like some evidence that my work in His vineyard is bearing fruit.
I am not sure just how to express this but I will try. People generally don’t swear around me. This is especially true of my grand kids, whom I know swear big time most of the time. It isn’t because I have said anything to anyone about swearing and it isn’t because I am a particularly good person but I just don’t feel the need to swear. Most of the time swearing is just a bad habit and I dropped that habit years ago long before it got a hold of me. Not because I thought it was sinful. I just did not want to express myself with those words.

You have already witnessed to her by not swearing. If she knows that you are a Catholic and if you don’t swear, you have done your job. If you feel that you need to do anything at all, without making a big show of it, make the sign of the cross and let it go.

Ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish. I sincerely doubt if Blessed Mother Teresa felt the need to correct the sins of the people she dealt with in the ghettos of Calcutta. She loved them and served them and they no doubt behaved themselves when she was in their presence.
 
It was Blessed Mother Teresa’s goodness, gentleness and kindness that gave her the power to change the lives of others. People don’t respond to correction by well meaning evangelizers. If they later convert it will be in spite of rather than because of this type of evangelizing.
 
People don’t respond to correction by well meaning evangelizers.
Reading this reminded me of the experience of a couple I used to know. When they married, she had stopped practicing the the Faith. He was a life-long atheist. Once the kids came along, she returned to the Church, he stayed an atheist. She nagged and preached for years - he just ignored her. Finally, she stopped saying anything at all. About a year later he became Catholic. 🙂
 
Reading this reminded me of the experience of a couple I used to know. When they married, she had stopped practicing the the Faith. He was a life-long atheist. Once the kids came along, she returned to the Church, he stayed an atheist. She nagged and preached for years - he just ignored her. Finally, she stopped saying anything at all. About a year later he became Catholic. 🙂
Sometimes we just get in the way of the Holy Spirit. I try to imagine my guardian angel slapping his forehead and saying, “Will you just shut-up and let God take care of this.”

It takes a great deal of skill, love and patience to talk to people about religion with the hope of converting them. I personally, do not have these skills. I had a terrible habit of jumping in with no understanding at all about another person’s history and their journey toward God.

I have learned through bitter experience to tread carefully.
 
I learned the hard way, we can not convert anyone, but we can sure show the way, point to Jesus Christ. He is the one who converts. Many are not receptive to the preaching, or sharing the good news of Jesus. It’s very painful when it is your own children. But I’m reminded of St. Augustine. His mother prayed for his conversion for 28-32 years. She became a great saint, and St.Augustine lead many into the Faith, and even became one of the great teachers of the Church. I was told by a Bishop that I may never see the fruits of my efforts, but to have courage, and prayer, and leave it in God’s hands. It seemed that when I tried it just got worse, turned them off, of course they were never turned on. Something else, it may bring out the devil in them, and that’s what you are confronting.
Jesus reserves conversion for Himself. The fact that you don’t swear, is good testimony.
A consolation: Even those that heard Jesus did not convert, and it hurt Him, He wept over Jerusalem.
 
The Catchism teaches that we are complicit in sin by silence. However, in my experience, my attempts at fraternal correction almost always fall on deaf ears, so I remain silent nowadays, since I know it won’t be heeded. For example, one of my classmates used Jesus’ Name profanely the other day. I said nothing, and prayed a “Father forgive them” for her.

But I still feel complicit in sin. I don’t say anything anymore because when I do I almost always say something stupid or inaccurate. So I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either I allow someone to sin by silence, or I drivd them further away by bad argument.

And please don’t use that Mother Teresa quote that God “calls us to be faithful, not successful”. If it’s God’s will for all to know and love Him, then why isn’t He aiding me when I’m trying to make Him known? I would at least like some evidence that my work in His vineyard is bearing fruit.
As I see you are in school, I would assume you are somewhere between high school and college. That would put me somewhere between 40 and 50 years older than you. and with a bit more life experiences to reflect on.

One think I have observed - and this is not directed to your age group, but pretty much cuts across the age spectrums - is that people in general do not take correction kindly, if at all, from anyone they do not recognize as an authority, and in particular, an authority with authority over them.

Additionally, correctly or not, many who ar corrected look at the one doing the correction as a “self-righteous prig”. Not that I like Wikipedia, but here goes:

"A prig… is a person who shows an inordinately zealous approach to matters of form and propriety—especially where the prig has the ability to show superior knowledge to those who do not know the protocol in question. They see little need to consider the feelings or intentions of others, relying instead on established order and rigid rules to resolve all questions.

The prig approaches social interactions with a strong sense of self-righteousness…

“A prig, like the Pharisee, says: “God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are”—except that he often substitutes Self for God…”
There is a world of difference between looking at sally or George, when they swear and saying: “Sally (George), why do you say “XXX”? It really makes me uncomfortable when you speak like that; is it really necessary?” in a rather quiet voice (and never in front of others).
The other approach is to tell them that they are wrong, that they should not say “XXX”, and etc. and etc.
I have never seen you in action, so I cannot judge how you come across; whether you quietly ask, when alone, why they do “X”, or if you correct them and tell them what they are doing wrong.

Many - not all, but many, when quietly and politely asked, will give a response explain it, or apologize,

And many, when confronted with someone who is going to “fraternally correct” them, are going to respond to what they perceive; and what they perceive is a prig. Particularly if it is done in front of others.

As has been said for eons, there is more than one way to skin a cat, and using a dull razor tends to make the cat mad.

And as another poster mentioned, if you think you are complicit in sin by not correcting others, you might sit down with a priest and consider whether or not you are being scrupulous.
 
As I see you are in school, I would assume you are somewhere between high school and college. That would put me somewhere between 40 and 50 years older than you. and with a bit more life experiences to reflect on.

One think I have observed - and this is not directed to your age group, but pretty much cuts across the age spectrums - is that people in general do not take correction kindly, if at all, from anyone they do not recognize as an authority, and in particular, an authority with authority over them.

Additionally, correctly or not, many who ar corrected look at the one doing the correction as a “self-righteous prig”. Not that I like Wikipedia, but here goes:

"A prig… is a person who shows an inordinately zealous approach to matters of form and propriety—especially where the prig has the ability to show superior knowledge to those who do not know the protocol in question. They see little need to consider the feelings or intentions of others, relying instead on established order and rigid rules to resolve all questions.

The prig approaches social interactions with a strong sense of self-righteousness…

“A prig, like the Pharisee, says: “God, I thank thee that I am not as other men are”—except that he often substitutes Self for God…”
There is a world of difference between looking at sally or George, when they swear and saying: “Sally (George), why do you say “XXX”? It really makes me uncomfortable when you speak like that; is it really necessary?” in a rather quiet voice (and never in front of others).
The other approach is to tell them that they are wrong, that they should not say “XXX”, and etc. and etc.
I have never seen you in action, so I cannot judge how you come across; whether you quietly ask, when alone, why they do “X”, or if you correct them and tell them what they are doing wrong.

Many - not all, but many, when quietly and politely asked, will give a response explain it, or apologize,

And many, when confronted with someone who is going to “fraternally correct” them, are going to respond to what they perceive; and what they perceive is a prig. Particularly if it is done in front of others.

As has been said for eons, there is more than one way to skin a cat, and using a dull razor tends to make the cat mad.

And as another poster mentioned, if you think you are complicit in sin by not correcting others, you might sit down with a priest and consider whether or not you are being scrupulous.
Just FYI, I am in college and am turning 23 on Sunday.

Thanks for your responses everyone. I spoke with a priest about it, and he said that praying for them is sufficient.
 
=JackVk;12731827]The Catchism teaches that we are complicit in sin by silence. However, in my experience, my attempts at fraternal correction almost always fall on deaf ears, so I remain silent nowadays, since I know it won’t be heeded. For example, one of my classmates used Jesus’ Name profanely the other day. I said nothing, and prayed a “Father forgive them” for her.
But I still feel complicit in sin. I don’t say anything anymore because when I do I almost always say something stupid or inaccurate. So I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place. Either I allow someone to sin by silence, or I drivd them further away by bad argument.
And please don’t use that Mother Teresa quote that God “calls us to be faithful, not successful”. If it’s God’s will for all to know and love Him, then why isn’t He aiding me when I’m trying to make Him known? I would at least like some evidence that my work in His vineyard is bearing fruit.
My friend,

ours is to “try” and God’s is “TO DO!”👍

Only God can bring conversions; which is not to say that we cannot, or are not being used to assist God is this task.👍
 
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