Evangelization of America?

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Does it work both ways? Is it okay for Fundamentalists to evangelize Catholics? Many people on here have expressed frustration with Protestants in general for sending missionaries to predominantly Catholic countries.
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It’s commendable that you care, and I respect what you think you’re doing. Only one is true however, either fundamentalism or Catholicism. I used to call myself a fundamentalist, but when I started looking into Church history, etc. I had to become Catholic. Up until about 500 years ago to be Christian was to be Catholic. It would be awesome if we could unite under this Church banner and take Christ to those who have not heard of Him!
 
I want to write a book on grace and justification, but need good catechism training first. The more understanding we get, the better we can all evangelize!
 
That is the Roman Catholic understanding. I understand you are required to believe that but your wrong.
 
I’d be more than happy to start you on the path and point you to some resources if you want them, that will edify the apostolic succession of Anglicans. Ultimately, however, we both know that no matter how much evidence I was to give you it wouldn’t make a lick of difference to you or the Roman Catholic church since they have been largely ignoring the issue since they issued their declaration. I mean honestly, if I gave you right evidence than said conclusively that Anglican orders are valid you would still have to consider them invalid correct? The Roman Church has declared that their understanding, while not ex cathedra is the next best thing.
 
Your wrong. I mean we can keep going but perhaps we should just agree to disagree at this point. 🙂
 
So wait… You will agree to treat me as a human being but you won’t agree to tolerate the fact that we continue to disagree on this issue?
 
how would you describe the founding of Anglicanism being that some king wanted an annulment and couldn’t get it??
 
Simple fact is if we agree with you, than that indicates we accept what your saying as true, and if we accept what your saying as true, than that would mean we condone it. 🤷 Basically thats the same as (name removed by moderator) stated only in different words.

And that just wouldn’t be the case, sorry to say. And that is the Truth! And this really has nothing to with being polite, its called being honest.

You continue to come around to this historic dilemma on various threads. Why not start a thread on it and get this out of your system? I see no sense in derailing every postive thread we manage to get going by relinquishing ourselves constantly to the past or today. Tommorrrow is the question at hand and saving the US from circling the bowl.

This insistant aberration of history has arrived on what, [3] three different threads now? Would it be safe to say its on your mind nhylan? 🤷

And I agree with ESMDHokie77, you’ll just have to explain this to us. I don’t know that this is the place for it on this thread, but without a doubt theres a need for it.

God Bless, Gary
 
ESMDHokie77 said:
how would you describe the founding of Anglicanism being that some king wanted an annulment and couldn’t get it??
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That’s the cultural and governmental separation from Rome. We were founded by Christ when he gave the key’s to Peter just like the rest of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

In fairness to facts the founding of Anglicanism didn’t really occur till Elizabeth took over, the separation that occurred during Henry VIII’s rule was later nullified when Mary took the throne.
 
So you agree that we were founded by Christ? well that’s a step I think. The answer would be that we don’t think that the Roman Catholic Church is the only valid expression of Apostolic Christianity. This isn’t to say we are relativists, we just don’t believe the bar is as high as Roman Catholics. I came across an interesting story today actually about Apostolic Succession. Since we came into communion with them the Old Catholics of Utrecht have been co-ordaining our bishops with us and now we have extended that to the Lutherans which we are communion with co ordaining their bishops so that they may serve in Anglican and Lutheran Churches. Not really relevant to what we are talking about but I found it interesting.
 
Women’s ordination is not a problem. Women are validly ordained all the time here. You should come to Holy Eucharist sometime and see, I’d invite you personally but I don’t think we live in the same area.
 
Reunification with the Orthodox was sort of a maybe yes, maybe no proposition. There were other problems that caused the thing to be called off first I think.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Simple fact is if we agree with you, than that indicates we accept what your saying as true, and if we accept what your saying as true, than that would mean we condone it. 🤷 Basically thats the same as (name removed by moderator) stated only in different words.

And that just wouldn’t be the case, sorry to say. And that is the Truth! And this really has nothing to with being polite, its called being honest.

You continue to come around to this historic dilemma on various threads. Why not start a thread on it and get this out of your system? I see no sense in derailing every postive thread we manage to get going by relinquishing ourselves constantly to the past or today. Tommorrrow is the question at hand and saving the US from circling the bowl.

This insistant aberration of history has arrived on what, [3] three different threads now? Would it be safe to say its on your mind nhylan? 🤷

And I agree with ESMDHokie77, you’ll just have to explain this to us. I don’t know that this is the place for it on this thread, but without a doubt theres a need for it.

God Bless, Gary
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Hi Gary,

Sorry this is the second time I’ve missed your responses to my comments, my apologies.

I feel moved, when I see people saying things that aren’t true, to edify them. Particularly when it comes to my new home. I’m willing to bet that recent converts to Roman Catholicism are also very enthusiastic about their new faith. It is difficult for me to not try and say what I know in my heart and soul is the truth when others would say otherwise. Anglicans have valid holy orders, perhaps not to Roman Catholics, and that’s fine. But to represent the Roman Catholic position as fact, when the Roman Catholic Church really REALLY has no way of even knowing for sure if our orders are valid I feel does a disservice to the truth of the matter. So yes, it is personal, but this, for some reason, is also an issue that comes up very often on this forum so I don’t necessarily go out of my way to bring it up but its brought up a lot.
 
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