Yes, we need to see the humor in the Bible too. There’s a lot of funny things like the above, particularily in the Old Testament. God is really unpredictable in the Old Testament, you never know what He’s going to do next!
I know it says that, granny. IMHO, that is an error by the Catechism. I, personally, do not believe that God “punished” 2 ensouled hominids plus the next 100,000,000,000 descendants of those 2 ensouled hominids by making them all inclined to sin. (What kind of a punishment is that? “I sentence you to having a REALLY good sinful time on Earth!”)
Will you answer post 98?
I used to do “ghost-hunting” for magazine articles. I was stupid on one occasion: The invisible thing was a demon. I tried to talk to it. It talked back, out of thin air. In my opinion, if demons can talk out of thin air, then, yes, they could create the appearance of talking out of a demon.
I am not calling you a heretic or anything else. But there is something off kilter about the analysis of Adam and Eve and subsequent humanity. It’s like the beauty and wonder of human nature has turned gloomy. It’s almost like the Protestant minister who implied that humans were bad from the get go. I hope that is not your feeling because that can hamper anyone’s understanding of religion. Regarding the human race in general, i.e., all of us, – God doesn’t make junk.
The devil was the serpent or in the serpent.
Of course not. I’m trying to make a case for the story being a piece of Dr. Seuss-level fiction. I.e., Just like Cat-in-the-Hat and Fox-in-Sox, the serpent is talking.
Well, the traditional Catholic analysis has God punishing about 100 billion people for the sin of two, because He is a sovereign. And, it has God making those 100 billion sin-prone, as a “punishment.”
There are many here who try.
The precedent was set by the angels.
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How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.penWindow(‘cr/405.htm’) Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.What is gloomiest is the misrepresentation of what actually happened in the Garden of Eden. It sounds like you have thought about this for a long time, so you have the advantage. On the other hand, this kind of an analysis is new to me. My apology. I will need some quiet time to think. Or maybe someone else will spot the flaw.
Not to make you feel bad, but you are not addressing the issue. I, the Chief Justice of the Suprteme Court, hereby sentence every single America to 30 lashes because buffalo committed a crime.The precedent was set by the angels.
God is infinitely merciful and just. Justice demands a consequence.
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406 The Church’s teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine’s reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God’s grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam’s fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).297
Buffalo is a man. Adam is man
If Buffalo is representing me, like an ambassador to another country, you may have me for your 30 lashes.
Just.
Jesus passed through the walls after His Resurrection. He certainly could have passed through Mary’s membrane.
And…The Incarnation is reflected in the birth. A breach did not happen.
It doesn’t matter, buffalo. You’re making my point. You are just doing what we were all trained to do.