Ever Been a Drug Addict?

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I have friends with drug/alcohol issues and since I don’t know much about it, I was hoping some former/struggling addicts might like to share their stories here so as to have a better understanding of what it’s like to struggle with this and how to better help my friends.

Peace:)
 
I’ve been addicted to the opposite sex… :eek: 😃

does that count??

Seriously… an addiction is an addiction… I have been to many AA meetings where there were alcoholics/drug addicts, etc… The dynamics seem to be the same regardless of the “drug of choice” involved… You believe something destructive is actually not so bad… and you feel you “need” it…

Jesus was the only thing that broke my addiction (specifically, the rosary)…

I am not sure this answers your question… probably not??
 
Things just get harder and harder all the time and one day when you’re turning to a casual acquaintance for some sor tof cheering up she tells you she has a door in her coat pocket. She pulls it out and shakes it open like a rain bonnet and it’s a giant wrought-iron frame with cherrywood panels and ou push lightly and it swings wide open to reveal a lush, golden, warm, glittering world of meadows full of wildflowers and flying creatures over crystalline lakes and oceans. You take wing and feel the cool breeze in your face. It’s so nice that time stops. A song plays from everywhere at once reassuring you that there will be an easy answer to all that’s unfair and hard in your world. You even find clues that tell you it’s true, that there really isn’t a single reason to fear. There you meet people who don’t have a fight with anyone, definitely not you. They want to celebrate the beauty of everything, as you do.
Ever after, you have this door in your own possession. You will always know it’s there.
And right after leaving, you always get sick, and depressed, and everything that normally comforts you is gone, while you are periodically beaten black and blue by invisible enemies who scream condemning things in your ear. Everyone takes their side. The longer you were there, the worse it is when you come back.
After things even out again and you can be happy without the special world through the door, you still have problems and you still know the door is there. You are also a little nervous because of the memory of the times of sickness.
That’s all it is. It’s not insanity or a different way of thinking. Just a memory of being rescued from despair by unutterable joy and then thrown into the worst time of your life over and over, always knwoing the way back to beautiful escape is no further away than a gesture no one need notice. The people with that secret door are all over the place and they are alert to the signals, and they will be glad to “help” someone come back.
 
Recovery has to do with learning to live life on life’s terms and acknowledging that your life is out of control and only God can help you. Being addicted has to do with not having the skills to deal with life’s pain and trying to find loopholes in dropping out mentally in tough times.
 
That’s all it is. It’s not insanity or a different way of thinking. Just a memory of being rescued from despair by unutterable joy and then thrown into the worst time of your life over and over
I’ve never been a drug addict… never could understand being one until i read this (things like it)…

Even so… it is true you can be addicted to anything… being addicted to a person is worse, in many ways, than drugs or alcohol… especially when the person is psycho… :eek:
 
she tells you she has a door in her coat pocket … You take wing and feel the cool breeze in your face.
great description… another would be the words in the song by janes addiction: “fall into a sea of grass, and disappear beneath the shady blades”

there are various levels of addiction, and various ways addiction affects each person. some people, once they realize they have a problem, seem to be able to flip a switch and never go back while others never cease to struggle. regardless, the hunger is always there, whether it is the tiny growl of someone who skipped lunch or the aching emptiness of someone starving in the desert, the doorway is always there in our heads, sweetly, softly calling us back.
 
The mechanism of addiction varies from substance to substance. Heroin, just for example (and because it’s the one I’m most familiar with), effectively replaces endorphins, the body’s natural painkillers (which is what makes it and its derivatives wonder drugs in pain treatment), but once the body thinks it’s getting regular shots of the stuff it stops making its own.

The root cause… it varies. Lots of junkies actually get their start self-medicating for chronic pain. Others want to escape a dismal reality, even if temporarily – strngrnrth’s door is a good depiction. Some may try it out of curiosity, realize it feels really, really good, and pick up a habit unexpectedly. And sure, there’s no want of stupid kids.

Me, I was in group #2 for a couple-few years, though I’ve had friends or acquaintances from all across the board. I actually managed to keep as good a handle as one could hope for on it, though that really isn’t saying much. That little sachet of brown powder is bigger than any human being.

Which isn’t to say, as some people have, that one must turn to God or a nebulous ‘higher power’ as in AA/NA to get clean (nothing against AA/NA, group therapy helps a great many people, but it is not the only way out). Nepenthe and I quit for love – we get high on each other, if you get my drift 😉

And yeah, it’s going to be with me for the rest of my life. That’s okay. So’s everything else I’ve accomplished, good and bad alike. The only things I regret are the ones I haven’t done (well okay, I don’t regret never trying PCP or acid). You’re never totally past it, just like people who went through AA and have been sober for decades still count themselves ‘recovering alcoholics’.

Bottom line, when it comes to talking and trying to help addicts, the most important thing to remember is that we’re human, with human problems – nothing more or less. We have pasts, futures (even though they may look a bit bleak at points, there’s always hope), and we play just as much a role in society as anyone else. Treating addicts as subhuman or otherwise stigmatizing them is all too common a reaction from many people (such as the poster here who told me I was obviously incapable of coherent thought from all the overdoses turning my brain into ‘Swiss cheese’). All that does is alienate the people you’re hopefully trying to help, turning their problems loose on them to boost your own ego. Avoid it.

The best thing to do is really just to be a friend, even if it’s a distant relationship (of the ‘I’m not letting you into any room in my house I’m not in’ or ‘I’ll talk to you on the phone, but really can’t hang out’ variety, in extreme cases). Social contact is what keeps us human and reminds us of that – not just junkies, but everybody.

But you want stories? Oh, everyone’s got them, good, bad, and just plain crazy…

Ending up in someone else’s van full of complete strangers in a rough-at-best neighborhood trying to figure out what the different regional slang meant was… interesting. Realizing my car, parked right in front of the pitch, had an ‘I Support My Sheriff’s Association’ vanity plate stuck on it was even more interesting.

Another sign of an interesting situation: the words ‘it’s not a crack house, it’s a crack home’. We ended up having to go rescue one guy after he finally figured out he was too high on a drug he wasn’t used to to drive. It all worked out without any mishaps, and once it was over we all had a good laugh, and as far as we know neither he nor his fiancee have gotten themselves into that since then. They’re nice people, live in a big townhouse in a good area – just goes to show that stereotypes often don’t apply.

We bought a giant tin of tinkertoys for the young daughter of one of our very good friends (who also happens to be a dealer, and still one of the most thoughtful, honest, and just generally good people we know; he grew up in the life, and right now is trying his damnedest to get out of it) for Christmas. A few days later, we were consoling him over his brother’s – non-drug-related – suicide.

And apparently once I tried to commit suicide by means of a massive overdose. I don’t remember any of that last one beyond waking up ten hours later in bed with a puffed lip and a sore jaw (and I remember other, far milder overdoses quite vividly up to the point of unconsciousness, so I have to chalk that one up to a brief case of the non compos mentises – I was going through some pretty nasty stuff in my life at that point which had nothing to do with heroin). I’m extremely lucky that someone who was much more experienced than I in the areas of ‘practical pharmacology’ and field medicine was around.

Sure, these are more stories of living than of quitting, but you don’t get to part two without part one – and honestly, so many people regard addiction as just the big scary boogeyman that someone needs to put a human face on it every now and again, reinforce the idea that everybody involved, dealers, users, even cops, are real people. And my ‘quitting story’ is really pretty simple: I decided I loved someone else more than I loved smack.

Nepenthe’s got stories going back a lot longer than I do, and was much more involved with all aspects of the whole thing (taking it up, living it, and quitting it) than I ever was. It’s not really my place to tell those, though, so wait for some tales of past whackiness which may sound like they’d be more at home announced in a drippy font on luridly illustrated pulp paper 😉
 
AA is a good program except for a few things:

a lot of the meetings i have been to, well, it seems that many members do not want to hear about Jesus… of course, now i live in a more conservative area & don’t have that problem as much as b4… but still, i get an uncomfortable feeling when i am the only one speaking of Jesus… However, i feel i have to speak of Him because being close to him is the only thing that can permanently break any addiction whatsoever… and keep the addiction broken… Yes, AA can do that… but i don’t feel it can do it permanently, absolutely speaking, or without several regressions… before success comes… I have seen many AA members fail when they stopped going or even while still going 2 mtgs… but a person who finds Jesus (really finds Him) seems to have a better level of success. Of course, to really find Jesus… in the way He wants us to find Him is to be Catholic…
 
I have friends with drug/alcohol issues and since I don’t know much about it, I was hoping some former/struggling addicts might like to share their stories here so as to have a better understanding of what it’s like to struggle with this and how to better help my friends.

Peace:)
My credentials; 24 years sober in AA:extrahappy:

To help your friends, you must first learm what NOT to do. For that, I would “suggest” going to meetings of Al-Anon (for the family and friends of alcoholics) and Nar-Anon (for the family and friends of drug addicts).:yup:

Once you are established in those groups, you can attend “open” meetings of AA and NA and hear for yourself what the struggles, problems, and rewards are of these 12 step programs.:clapping:

Most of these 12-step groups will be listed in the yellow pages of the phone book under the heading of “alcoholism”
 
I did a combo of Rational Recovery (no meetings, three steps) and Celebrate Recovery, which interprets the 12 steps in Biblical forms and sees victory as not needing to go to meetings anymore. I prefer this as I find it more effective, not just for me but for many, and freer. There is also no 13th stepping.😃
 
AA is a good program except for a few things:

a lot of the meetings i have been to, well, it seems that many members do not want to hear about Jesus… of course, now i live in a more conservative area & don’t have that problem as much as b4… but still, i get an uncomfortable feeling when i am the only one speaking of Jesus… However, i feel i have to speak of Him because being close to him is the only thing that can permanently break any addiction whatsoever… and keep the addiction broken… Yes, AA can do that… but i don’t feel it can do it permanently, absolutely speaking, or without several regressions… before success comes… I have seen many AA members fail when they stopped going or even while still going 2 mtgs… but a person who finds Jesus (really finds Him) seems to have a better level of success. Of course, to really find Jesus… in the way He wants us to find Him is to be Catholic…
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If one lives in a large metropolitan area they can generally find and AA meeting that they will feel comfortable in, I went to AA meetings quite often the first 5 years of sobriety , occasionally the second five years of my sobriety and almost not all the last 213 years. I did, however, replace AA meeting with going to daily Mass. I think one needs AA for the first few years of their sobriety and I also think one should be very very careful if and when they stop going.

If one has a loved one who is suffering from addiction I have two bits of advice. Never nag or enable and start going to Al-Anon
 
I did a combo of Rational Recovery (no meetings, three steps) and Celebrate Recovery, which interprets the 12 steps in Biblical forms and sees victory as not needing to go to meetings anymore. I prefer this as I find it more effective, not just for me but for many, and freer. There is also no 13th stepping.😃
This posting prompted me to Google “Celebrate Recovery”.
Interesting, although I found no listing of Churches where this could be found. I assume it is a local organization?

I also know of the existence of Alcoholics Victorious, CALEX, and the Matt Talbot Groups. There may be many others. None of them seem to be anywhere near to where I live, so I’ll stick to AA.

Now, since I am 24 years sober in AA, you might question if I “need” AA meetings anymore. 🤷

(And there is more to AA then just the meetings. The 12 steps are the core of the program.)

The PRIMARY reason I still attend AA meetings is as a good example. I share about being a sober alcoholic in the Catholic Church. I do NOT preach or sermonize. I don’t need to. My being a good example makes the point. Others can talk to me one-on-one before and after the meetings, concerning my religion as part of my AA spiritual program.
 
This posting prompted me to Google “Celebrate Recovery”.
Interesting, although I found no listing of Churches where this could be found. I assume it is a local organization?

I also know of the existence of Alcoholics Victorious, CALEX, and the Matt Talbot Groups. There may be many others. None of them seem to be anywhere near to where I live, so I’ll stick to AA.

Now, since I am 24 years sober in AA, you might question if I “need” AA meetings anymore. 🤷

(And there is more to AA then just the meetings. The 12 steps are the core of the program.)

The PRIMARY reason I still attend AA meetings is as a good example. I share about being a sober alcoholic in the Catholic Church. I do NOT preach or sermonize. I don’t need to. My being a good example makes the point. Others can talk to me one-on-one before and after the meetings, concerning my religion as part of my AA spiritual program.
It didn’t occur to me Celebrate might not be everywhere. I just assumed it was.
RR is cool for a person like me becasue it’s basicaly what I did, and it’s compatible with every major religion and has a better success record than NA/AA. It’s simple: Recognize that addictiv ebehavior is a choice and if you are married or otherwise owe fidelity to someone addictive behavior is cheating on that person. Apologize for cheating. Then recognize the addictive side of your mind as a part of you but not the difinitive part, and learn to override it with rational thinking. AV (addictive voice) says, “Look, a friend of yours is having a party. Go there adn hang out. I’m not trying to put you next to some drugs, no…just go say hello.” You say, “No, there is no important reason I would go to a party I wasn’t invited to (or even one I was depending on the party) unless it’s to get high. I don’t want to get high, but if I see it going on I will at least for a moment and then I might do it. I won’t go to the party.”
AV says, “Heyyyy, this bar has a full rack of whiskeys now. Try that one, you never had it. You remember that hot day when you were thirsty and our best friend had never had whiskey and berry mineral waater and you made yourselves some and it was all sunny, right?” You say, “If I drink whiskey, I will be obnoxious and spend too much money, end up incompetent, in harm’s way and undignified. I will be sick in the morning. I will be a little less intelligent for a couple of days. No. I’m here to buy a paper and go, and it’s time I was gone.”
And you just go on with your life as if you had never been an addict. Want to know how well I’m doing in recovery? All I know is people have trouble believing I ever did drugs. They think I’m pulling their legs.😃
 
I live in the Philippines. I have a nephew who was a drug addict. None of us knew, not even his mother (father is dead). He was eventually discovered and his mother put him into rehab. This particular place in the Philippines called SELF has an excellent record for successfully rehabillitating addicts (of any kind - not just drugs - I know a priest who was there for a gambling addiction) and it includes spiritual help, prayer (Rosary is also important daily). This is in addition to other rehab methods. This is a genuine rehab centre. I read about people (celebrities in particular) spending a week or a month in a rehab center and coming out “cured”. That is just plain rubbish. That is not possible.
The centre (called SELF) my nephew was put to by his mum is a place where the addicts cannot get out unless the parents take them out. The addicts have no choice in this. The earliest someone who is rehabilitated would get out would be at least a year and some have been there up to 3 years.
The center will tell the relatives when they feel the addict can be released so the program has no fixed term.
Praise God my nephew is out and has been clean for 2 years now.
The record of the centre is very good for those who stay the whole program. For those who complete the program the success rate is 85%.
For those who leave early before they are ready (mainly due to persuading relatives to take them out) the success rate is only 15%.
 
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If one lives in a large metropolitan area they can generally find and AA meeting that they will feel comfortable in,
Yes, if i had a bunch of money i would probably move back closer to the city… there is more to do there… and more 12 step meetings… I used to get something out of AA even though i wasn’t an alcoholic… because i had other addictios… but then i myself began to go to daily Mass (etc)… and felt i out-grew AA… but would still like to go to a Christian 12step…
 
I was addicted to crank (methamphetamine). The hardest thing I ever did was kick the habit, cold turkey.
Your friends that are addicted need love; they are still people. Just be careful around them, that they don’t suck you down into their maelstrom.
The only thing that helped me was God.
 
AA is a good program except for a few things:

a lot of the meetings i have been to, well, it seems that many members do not want to hear about Jesus… of course, now i live in a more conservative area & don’t have that problem as much as b4… but still, i get an uncomfortable feeling when i am the only one speaking of Jesus… However, i feel i have to speak of Him because being close to him is the only thing that can permanently break any addiction whatsoever… and keep the addiction broken… Yes, AA can do that… but i don’t feel it can do it permanently, absolutely speaking, or without several regressions… before success comes… I have seen many AA members fail when they stopped going or even while still going 2 mtgs… but a person who finds Jesus (really finds Him) seems to have a better level of success. Of course, to really find Jesus… in the way He wants us to find Him is to be Catholic…
As I understand it, AA meetings are supposed to be consciously non-religious, other than mention of one’s “higher power” which could be Jesus, or Buddha, or even one’s own conscience. This means that mention of religion during the meeting itself would be against their rules, which would be why you got the uncomfortable reaction - they were probably wondering, “Okay, who gets to tell him that we’re not allowed to talk about religion, here?”

I am the relative of someone who is a recovering alcoholic.

I would say, first of all, when dealing with a family member who is an alcoholic or an addict of any kind, meet your own needs. Don’t let your alcoholic family member wreck your life, as well as their own.
 
As I understand it, AA meetings are supposed to be consciously non-religious, other than mention of one’s “higher power” .
i understand that… but when the topic is your 'experience, strength and hope"… well, the only ES or H i have is Jesus… so i feelthat in mentioning that, i am doing the 12 th step… carrying the message… of what works for me… (and many others)…

Nobody really complains in the mtg i go to now… i live in a more “Christian” area… 🙂
 
i understand that… but when the topic is your 'experience, strength and hope"… well, the only ES or H i have is Jesus… so i feelthat in mentioning that, i am doing the 12 th step… carrying the message… of what works for me… (and many others)…

Nobody really complains in the mtg i go to now… i live in a more “Christian” area… 🙂
Same here, plus the fact that my car’s license plate reads BVM 1221. Plus I have these bumper stickers about praying the Rosary for world peace. I am preaching the Gospel always, but use words only if needed.
 
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