Ever get a "tired of liberal Church" M.Angelica moment?

[AMDG1]

Dr. Bombay:

Well, since Christ gave His Church the power to bind and loose on earth and promised that power would be mirrored in heaven, and since His Church has chosen to lay down very specific guidelines on how Mass is to be said…unless Jesus was a liar, He is just as concerned about the manner in which Mass is celebrated as His Church is. Not more, not less.

Or that’s how I see it.

Power…bind and loose…sounds kinda cataclysmic - I’m getting goosebumps…

Apparently the Church has concluded that it isn’t too concerned about how Mass is celebrated (I’m talking about what the “collective church”, the majority of priests and bishops, have decided is acceptable). Maybe the overturning of those very specific guidelines is divinely inspired. Again, maybe Jesus is telling us He really doesn’t care, just as long as we conduct ourselves with the values He tought.

 

[MichelleTherese]

We don’t have to buck any Bishops: We need to get rid of the middle-aged folks from the 1960’s era who have tight control of our liturgical music and religious education and church art!! They are the ones that have created happy-clappy silly music, emptied our churches of art (or filled it with “I Was On Some Kind Of Drug When I Created This” art) and tossed sacredness out the window!!

Out with the Ex-Hippies and Women’s Libbers! Their time is UP! They’ve stayed in office long enough!! And they’ve done enough damage!!

Back with the sacred in our music and our liturgy and our art!!

I do NOT advocate a return to all things pre-Vatican II. That’s just plain silly. We don’t HAVE to have the Mass in Latin in order for it to be authentic. If we want to be authentic then return to Greek in the Mass!! But at the same time these silly hippie masses and sterile empty churches (no art or weird art) need to go!! Vatican II helped infuse so much JOY into the liturgy - and brought a real sense of community to us Lay folks. But there’s such a thing as taking it too far…so far in fact that sacredness was totally lost! That’s what we need to recover - sacredness, not a reliving of the 1950’s.

Let the Hippies and Women’s Libbers have ONE church and let us have all the rest be sacred churches. Why should we, the majority, have to drive an hour to another city to find a church that is sacred while they, the minority, have a whole bunch of churches??? There’s probably three or four of them at Mass who acctually enjoy the hippie crud. The rest of us are gritting our teeth and trying not to cry. Let them drive an hour to go find the hippie church and leave us be!!

 

[Mordocai]

AltarMan:

Both extremes in the Church suck.

In their minds they couldn’t be more different, yet in reality they can be quite similiar. Both can be quite heterodox and welcoming of liturgical abuses and delicts:

Heterodox Group Alpha. Often referred to as “liberals”, “Spirit of Vatican II’ers.” Fond of referring to themselves as “progressives.” Common traits: Appreciate porous ceramic chalices and liturgical dancing. Mantra: “the spirit of Vatican II” Idealistic spritual advisor: Roger Cardinal Mahony.

Heterodox Group Beta Often referred to as “right-wing whack-jobs” and sometimes as “preeners.” Fond of referring to themselves as “traditionalists.” Common traits: they know better than the Church what is best; more Catholic than the Pope. Mantra: It’s not abusive if it’s “better” than what the Church actually directs. Idealistic spritual advisor: Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz.

Ha! That’s a pretty good estimation of it all. or perhaps
Maybe we should move to Italy…

 

[AltarMan]

byHisGrace:

AltarMan,
While I can appreciate your frustration of heterodox points of view on both ends of the spectrum; to associate Bishop Bruskewitz as the “idealistic spiritual advisor” for “right-wing whack-jobs” is a terrible misrepresentation of Bishop Bruskewitz and the reality of his teaching. The good Bishop is very orthodox, and in no way could be associated with anything you could classify as heterodox during his time in Lincoln.

Indeed. Bp. Bruskewitz is indeed a good man. I should have said “any spritual descendant of Marcel Lefebvre.”

 

[Confiteor]

AltarMan:

Because it’s never been verified! Yet people trumpet it around like it’s concrete fact. Same with the 30-40% real presence “statistic.” Buncha garbage.

Not one of your references are what I would consider rock-solid.

I was going to pass on this since I think I’ve sufficiently clarified the source. But as it happens, I just caught a video of Mother Teresa receiving on the tongue. Whether or not she did so always and everywhere, I don’t know. But based on the statement, probably so. If you are sincere (and not only trying to be difficult), you can contact the source of the quote you believe to be “garbage” here:
oursaviournyc.org/

Never mind posting the response, though, because you are not “rock solid.”

As far as the Real Presence issue, only 30% of those polled chose the correct statement of the doctrine of the Real Presence. The rest chose incorrect statements which erred in some way. Whether that is a crisis of faith or catechesis, I don’t know, but a lot of folks seemed to get it wrong.

archdiocesesantafe.org/ABSheehan/ArchiveABSMessages/95.5.Eucharist.html

 

[Dr.Bombay]

AMDG1:

Power…bind and loose…sounds kinda cataclysmic - I’m getting goosebumps…

Apparently the Church has concluded that it isn’t too concerned about how Mass is celebrated (I’m talking about what the “collective church”, the majority of priests and bishops, have decided is acceptable). Maybe the overturning of those very specific guidelines is divinely inspired. Again, maybe Jesus is telling us He really doesn’t care, just as long as we conduct ourselves with the values He tought.

Are you still being a devilish advocate??

 

[twiztedseraph]

JKirkLVNV:

That’s just it, it isn’t that slippery. On one hand, you’re talking about a translation approved by the Holy See and used throughout the English speaking world. That may change, but I’m not going to take umbrage one way or the other. It doesn’t, however, logically follow that this is going to lead to a clown mass, an obvious abuse. My “I’m so sick of you, liberal American church” moment WOULD not include “and also with you” instead of “and with your spirit,” because it isn’t a glaring thing. For some, it’s like a piece of grit to an oyster. I think we should concentrate on the big stuff, the obvious stuff, at least before we start on the more subtle stuff.

I was basically kidding around with the slippery slope thing…Well, let me put it this way…Christ calls us to perfection, correct? Now, the Latin version of the mass, is the perfect text, the original. The more faithful, the more perfect. However, I do respect any decision made by the Holy See, but this, not being a matter of doctrine, or morals, there is a little room for personal sentiment. Besides, they’re getting reworked as we speak anyway.

 

[Tonks40]

scriabin:

How many of us have had one of those moments when you just get fed up with something that (we believe) is just not Catholic within the Catholic Church?

Got that feeling the other day when looking a local parish’s bulletin asking for “liturgical dancers” for Easter…

…aaarrrrgggghhhhhh!!! :banghead: