Everybody hates Benedict

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There have been people who simply hate the Papacy almost as long as there has been a Papacy which was established by Christ with the Apostle (Simon when He renamed Simon to) Kepha (Petros in Greek, Peter in English), which means Rock. None of them who do hate the Papacy can truthfully claim
  1. not to be ignorant of what Christ established, or
  2. to truly love and follow Christ if they do know the truth.
 
There have been people who simply hate the Papacy almost as long as there has been a Papacy which was established by Christ with the Apostle (Simon when He renamed Simon to) Kepha (Petros in Greek, Peter in English), which means Rock. None of them who do hate the Papacy can truthfully claim
  1. not to be ignorant of what Christ established, or
  2. to truly love and follow Christ if they do know the truth.
To paraphrase Fulton Sheen, most people hate the Catholic Church for what they think it is. There are only a few people who hate the Catholic Church for what it actually is.

God Bless!
Ericka
 
I’m a new Catholic and I have noticed that many, many people dislike, if not hate, if not despise the Pope!
I have heard people call him the Anti-Christ, people say he’s a Nazi and a homophobe.
Now, I know Benedict XVI is not the most photogenic and can look creepy at times, but is that any reason to judge him?
I have heard many a Protestant accusation that he “only pretends to come in the name of Christ” that he “prays to the dead” and that “He is a false leader who is leading us (Catholics) to hell”. I find many of these arguments unfounded at best. But when the accusations stack up as high as they are, I find my faith a bit shaken.
I see the Pope preaching about peace and love but all some seem to hear out of his mouth is fallacy and hate. Almost every word he says is offensive to somebody. A poll I’ve recently seen says about 50% of Americans think Benedict XVI is the Anti-Christ. I seem to honestly wonder where all this derision comes from. I mean, it’s as if his Holiness (Edited)!

“If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you.” -John 15:18-20
Okay…in order to get your head around all of this, I recommend you get a copy of Karl Keating’s classic book, Catholicism and Fundamentalism.
 
Regarding the OP: When the pope visited America, it sure looked like everybody loved Benedict.
 
To paraphrase Fulton Sheen, most people hate the Catholic Church for what they think it is. There are only a few people who hate the Catholic Church for what it actually is.

God Bless!
Ericka
Yes, it’s a wonderfully crafted statement from the Archbishop. These few people who know what His Church is and still hate her, also would likely hate Christ. Archbishop Fulton Sheen’s phrase was what I was thinking about before writing that post.
 
Regarding the OP: When the pope visited America, it sure looked like everybody loved Benedict.
This is what I saw. Many had thought that following behind the very popular John Paul II would be almost impossible, and he would not be very well received by the public. Benedict was well received, and even the liberal media was far more well behaved toward him than I expected.
 
I think the people who say those things about the Pope are fearful of him or at best extremely ignorant and know nothing about him or his life. The muslim leaders (as I have read) admire him more than any other non muslim person in the world despite their differences. Be careful who you listen to, look back at the reception he got when he came to this country.
 
Yep. I remember when he visited here in New York.

It was drizzling that morning and people were expecting that the Pope would have to say Mass in the rain.

When the Popemobile came into view in the stadium the rain came to a halt and sun began shining brightly. The Pope was able to celebrate Mass to the joy of the thousands of people who were there.

A reporter at the scene even commented that the Pope really must have a direct line to heaven for such a thing to have happened. 👍
 
Independent Fundamentalist Baptists are the ones who have accused his Holiness of being the Anti-Christ. Most of my friends of various denominations have voiced their dislike for Benedict XVI. Even my boyfriend whose Catholic says, he is “(Edited)” at the Pope’s position on homosexuality.
Sorry, I should have been more clear.
 
My own impression of our Pope is that he is a wonderful teacher (what a pleasant change of pace it is, to read his simple style of writing, after plodding through the writings of Pope John Paul II, may he rest in peace, dictionary in hand), he very gentle in his ways, and he always looks like he’s having fun being Pope. 🙂
 
Independent Fundamentalist Baptists are the ones who have accused his Holiness of being the Anti-Christ. Most of my friends of various denominations have voiced their dislike for Benedict XVI. Even my boyfriend whose Catholic says, he is “(Edited)” at the Pope’s position on homosexuality.
Sorry, I should have been more clear.
I don’t know why anyone would dislike Benedict XVI. He has been a very faithful and decent Pope, and even far more personable than many had expected.

Please don’t be surprised by a Baptist saying this. When one has made up their own set of false doctrines, as the Baptists (and Lutherans, and Presbyterians, and non-denoms, etc.) have, the truth looks strange to them such that they don’t recognize it.

Since this is the only concrete example you shared regarding a Catholic, does your boyfriend understand that opposition to acts of homosexuality has always been the official Catholic position. This is not Benedict’s personal position outside the Church. It is his responsibility to teach this, just as it is the responsibility of any Catholic to abide by this. In fact, your boyfriend is unfortunately choosing a stance that opposes the official Catholic teaching on this. It’s not a sin to have homosexual tendencies. It is gravely sinful to willfully participate in homosexual acts.

Honestly, it’s not sinful to dislike him personally, if he’s not your cup of tea. Although, I very much like him, even more than JP II.

It’s very wrong to oppose or reject his authority to teach in matters of faith and morals binding on all the faithful. It’s the same as rejecting the teachings of Christ, because that is what the Pope has the authority and protection from God to do… feed His sheep. Simply put, he who rejects the pope in official teachings on faith and morals, rejects Christ. He who rejects Christ, also rejects the One who sent Christ. If that “shoe fits” someone, I recommend a new pair of shoes.
 
I had a great respect and admiration for Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger while I was still an Episcopalian. His elevation to the Papacy helped speed my conversion to Catholicism.

Anyone who “hates” Pope Benedict is either misled/mistaken or in actuality hates Catholicism (and, indirectly, Christ himself).
 
Hi MDK. I have noticed that many Protestants (not all) do reject Catholicism because it is too complicated, too old and too “traditional” I think they are afraid of the authority which has been granted to Christ’s apostles, His Pope and clergy.

My boyfriend’s problem with the Pope’s teaching, is that he thinks homosexuals should be allowed to be as they are. He does not see them as undermining the basic family unit and thinks it would be okay for them to get married. Though he is poor at grasping the bigger picture, he is a devout Catholic in most parts. I would say Benedict XVI is not his cup of tea.

I personally think homosexuality is a self-destructive behavior, I think the tendencies are acceptable, as the people who engage in it are loved by God. I do not think they should marry because the Bible clearly states “That a man will leave his father to be united with his wife.” I think the Pope was merely emphasizing this, carrying on from JP II 's Theology of the Body.
 
Hi MDK. I have noticed that many Protestants (not all) do reject Catholicism because it is too complicated, too old and too “traditional” I think they are afraid of the authority which has been granted to Christ’s apostles, His Pope and clergy.

My boyfriend’s problem with the Pope’s teaching, is that he thinks homosexuals should be allowed to be as they are. He does not see them as undermining the basic family unit and thinks it would be okay for them to get married. Though he is poor at grasping the bigger picture, he is a devout Catholic in most parts. I would say Benedict XVI is not his cup of tea.

I personally think homosexuality is a self-destructive behavior, I think the tendencies are acceptable, as the people who engage in it are loved by God. I do not think they should marry because the Bible clearly states “That a man will leave his father to be united with his wife.” I think the Pope was merely emphasizing this, carrying on from JP II 's Theology of the Body.
Very nicely put. Theology of the Body was a wonderful gift from JP II. Both JP II and Benedict XVI are teaching as the Church always has with regard to homosexuality. Acting in a homosexual manner is gravely disordered. It is not what God established as the union for humans. In common terms easy for many to grasp, God created Adam and Eve as our first parents, not Adam and Steve.
 
I strongly disagree with Pope Benedict’s intention of sanctifying Pope Pius XII. He deserves nothing of the sort, where was the church that Pius led in times of the Holocaust?
 
New Vatican Archival Evidence Vindicates Pope Pius XII

Pius XII was engaged in the greatest Christian rescue program in the history of the Church. Editorials of the time attest to the fact that **he saved hundreds of thousands of Jews and Christians **from death in the concentration camps and served as a beacon of hope throughout his pontificate. We join his contemporaries and express our gratitude.

The Myth of Hitler’s Pope, by Rabbi David G. Dalin

Written in response to the plethora of attacks on Pope Pius XlI and his Catholic Church during World War II, it is thorough, balanced and jubilantly intelligent. It is also written not by a Catholic but by a Jewish author, Rabbi David G. Dalin.

The book shows that from 1945 until the mid-1960s, it was openly acknowledged that the Pope and Vatican were heroes of the struggle of the Jewish people against Nazism. Jewish and Israeli leaders praised Pius Xll during his lifetime and then publicly and privately lamented his death. His work in saving and hiding Jews was beyond question.

The Pope hid 3,000 Jews in his country residence and instructed monasteries, churches and convents throughout Italy to do the same. “More than 80% of Europe’s Jews were slaughtered,” says Dalin, "but in Italy more than 80% of the Jews were saved.

“It was in Italy that the Pope had direct control and was able to intervene personally. The idea that he was unconcerned is ridiculous. To allege that he was pro-Nazi is not only deeply insulting but also fundamentally absurd.”

Pope Pius XII: saviour of the Jews in Europe during World War II

At Pope Pius XII’s death in 1958, Golda Meir sent an eloquent message: “We share in the grief of humanity. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for its victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out about great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace”.

During and after the war, many well-known Jews — Albert Einstein, Moshe Sharett, Rabbi Isaac Herzog, and innumerable others — publicly expressed their gratitude to Pius.

In his 1967 book The Last Three Popes and the Jews, the Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide (who served as Israeli consul in Milan and interviewed Italian Holocaust survivors) declared Pius XII "was instrumental in saving at least 700,000, but probably as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands".

Michael Tagliacozzo, the leading authority on Roman Jews during the Holocaust, added, “I have a folder on my table in Israel entitled ‘Calumnies Against Pius XII.’ . . . Without him, many of our own would not be alive”.

Richard Breitman (the only historian authorized to study U.S. espionage files from World War II) noted that secret documents prove the extent to which “Hitler distrusted the Holy See because it hid Jews”.

Despite allegations to the contrary, the best historical evidence now confirms both that Pius XII was not silent and that almost no one at the time thought him so.

Any fair and thorough reading of the evidence demonstrates that Pius XII was a persistent critic of Nazism.

Of the forty-four speeches Pacelli gave in Germany as papal nuncio between 1917 and 1929, forty denounced some aspect of the emerging Nazi ideology.

In March 1935, he wrote an open letter to the bishop of Cologne calling the Nazis “false prophets with the pride of Lucifer”.

That same year, he assailed ideologies “possessed by the superstition of race and blood” to an enormous crowd of pilgrims at Lourdes. At Notre Dame in Paris two years later, he named Germany a “nation whom bad shepherds would lead astray into an ideology of race”.

Holocaust survivors such as Marcus Melchior, the chief rabbi of Denmark, argued that “if the pope had spoken out, Hitler would probably have massacred many more than six million Jews”.
Albert Einstein paid tribute to Pope Pius XII for saving so many Jewish lives

As early as December 1940, in an article in Time magazine, Albert Einstein paid tribute to Pius XII: “Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing the truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised, I now praise unreservedly”.

Moshe Sharett, Israel’s second prime minister, met with Pius XII in the closing days of the war and “told him that my first duty was to thank him, and through him the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public for all they had done in the various countries to rescue Jews”.

Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, converted to Roman Catholicism and took the baptismal name of “Eugenio”, the Christian name of Pope Pius XII, in admiration of his help for the Jews.

As a matter of simple historical fact, Rabbi Israel Zolli, the Chief Rabbi of Rome, was received into the Catholic Church in 1945 after the war was over. He was baptized entirely of his own free will and asked Pius XII, with whom he had worked closely in the saving of Jewish lives, to be his godfather. Dr. Zolli chose the name Eugenio as his baptismal name precisely because it was Pius XII’s own Christian name.
 
I strongly disagree with Pope Benedict’s intention of sanctifying Pope Pius XII. He deserves nothing of the sort, where was the church that Pius led in times of the Holocaust?
Pius XII is vilified by many who are ignorant of his work during that time, and what it meant. I love Pius XII, and was speaking to a friend studying for the deaconate last week about my hope the Pius XII would be canonized.

Please do your homework first. You’ll see that no one did more than Pius XII to save Jewish lives. If you want to complain, please look at the other “churches” who did little or nothing.
 
Pope Pius XII was the NINJA Pope!

You never saw his good deeds. Only their effects.

:nunchuk:
 
I don’t know why anyone would dislike Benedict XVI…
Two words: SPIRITUAL WARFARE

There is a battle between good and evil taking place. It manifests itself in the material world in many ways. There are those who who hate people with traditional values, like Bush, Benedict, Rick Warren, etc., and there attacks are venemous because of the evil that is working through them.

People wonder why anti-Bush people are so hateful - why the anti-Prop 8 people do things like stomping on old women’s crosses. It is because evil is not good at diguising itself, even though it tries to do so by using words like “tolerance” and “equality”.

If you cannot fathom how the spiritual battle between good and evil manifests itself in the material world, then you will never explain many of the unexpxlainable things you see in the world & in the news every day.
 
I strongly disagree with Pope Benedict’s intention of “sanctifying” (?) Pope Pius XII. He deserves nothing of the sort, where was the church that Pius led in times of the Holocaust?
What does your statement have to do with the subject of the thread?
Is his intention to **beatify ** JP2 adequate reason to hate him?
What is your point in referring to Pius XII?
 
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