Everything Mass should not be

[Catholic29]

ames61:

I am astounded that this is the same diocese that has St. Agnes in St. Paul.

As I am.

And orthodox Catholics from that very parish and others, have been leading the charge in combatting the errors St. Joan’s has been spewing out. Particularily the faithful organization Catholic Parents Online (CPO), and since last year when their efforts to call Archbishop Flynn to task backfired, they have shifted their strategy toward rebutting the very homosexual ideology St. Joan’s fosters. But without the archbishop on their side, its as though they are fighting with one arm tied behind their back.

Here is CPO’s website catholicparents.org and don’t be shy to drop them a line of encouragement

 

[Kielbasi]

There is also a church in Detroit or Chicago called St. Faustina’s i believe. They are technically a Catholic Church but they like to be called the Faith Community of …

You’re thinking of St. Sabina’s in Chicago, and they aren’t “technically” a Catholic church, but the real deal. Cardinal George has marched with them already, I don’t think its a debatable issue as to their good standing.

You can say, with some justification, that St. Sabina’s or St. Joan’s are off the beaten path, so Catholic-in-name-only, but they are both well known to their ordinaries, and at least in the case of St. Sabina’s the largest benefactor of the ordinary’s own ministry, giving more than any other parish to the bishop’s appeal.

 

[SFAgal03]

dumspirospero:

That did it…I think I really will be sick now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PiusXIII
This tidbit from the pastor from the bulletin of 2 weeks ago:

I sometimes forget how unfamiliar many people are with addressing God as Mother. Addressing God as Mother has been a part of our parish experience for over thirty-five years. It is becoming more and more common to express the feminine dimension of God as Christians struggle with how to name the Divine Mystery. I personally have used feminine images of God for a long time—first, because they enrich our perception of who God is, and also because I realized how insensitive it is to women to view God in exclusively male and patriarchal terminology.

Yeah.

He ends with:

Referring to God as Mother is both the expression of an evolving feminist theology and a creative insight into the compassionate, nurturing qualities of a God whose love for us is beyond our comprehension. Maybe we should balance the scales and refer to God as Mother for the next couple thousand years. May She continue to bless us!

Wow. That is insane. I’m all for Catholics of either sex participating in the Church, but, and call me a traitor to my sex or generation, I believe that Jesus set up priests not priestesses and he did it for a reason. I also cannot take anyone seriously who suggests that God (FATHER, SON, and Holy Spirit) is a woman. This is unsettling…

 

[TJD]

SFAgal03

You’re no traitor.

Christ’s Peace,

 

[PiusXIII]

SFAgal03:

Wow. That is insane. I’m all for Catholics of either sex participating in the Church, but, and call me a traitor to my sex or generation, I believe that Jesus set up priests not priestesses and he did it for a reason. I also cannot take anyone seriously who suggests that God (FATHER, SON, and Holy Spirit) is a woman. This is unsettling…

But to be fair, this priest suggested we refer to God as “She” only for the next couple of thousand years.

 

[palmas85]

The truly sad thing about this churches attitude and worship services is that it is in fact not uncommon and these abuses and clearly non-Catholic practices are in fact widespread. I would direct anyone to the Traditio website. Yes I know it is rabidly anti Vatican II, and probably primarily sede vacantist oriented. That being said however, it does include features concerning NO abuses and photographs. It also is constantly updated with news articles and fresh photographs representing what can only be described as the decline and destruction of the Roman Catholic Church worldwide. I would point out to all not old enough to remember, the changes that have crept into the mass and the faith at large did not happen overnight. Rather it was a slow process, a change here a change there all with the eventual aim of re-uniting all Christian faithful under one roof. Apparently Rome felt that if the Mass was made to more closely resemble Protestant services the Protestants would rush back to the Church. Unfortunately, while I believe the Bishops and others involved in drafting Vatican II directives by and large had the best of intentions, they were terribly short sighted and naive. Note I said by and large. There were certainly those there with ulterior motives.

In theory it could have worked if not for one unassailable fact. Most Protestant sects not only do not like Roman Catholics they actively hate the faith and question whether Catholics are even Christian. When we as Catholics adopt as our own, Protestant practices,ie: charismatic sevices, speaking in tongues, female ministers, denial of the real presence, open communion, no belief in a central authority or magesterium, REMEMBER, each Protestant believes pretty much what he wants , sola scriptura, etc etc we justify in their minds, the superiority of their fath. Don’t forget Protestants came from men who believed that, and stated implicitly that the Roman Catholic Church was the whore of Babylon and needed to be destroyed. No ecumenism, no Christian love thy neighbor, destroy it at all costs. Anyone who thinks that mindset does not stil exist just needs only to look at how many anti-Catholic websites are on the net. Look at how many “theologians” have made their mark by marginalizing and outright blaspheming the Roman Catholic faith, Hank Hannegraff and Chuck Missler come to mind especially, as well as those adorable little Chick tracts one can still find floating around.

And what is truly sad is that we as Catholics have allowed this to happen. In the misguided spirit of Vatican II and ecumenism we have given up much of what Catholicism is. We have allowed clearly non-Catholic ideas, concepts and worship practices to creep into our faith. Mass today seems in many cases to be nothing more than a big community group hug, feel good about yourself evangelical event. No need to honor God, to praise God and to worship him. Feel good about yourself and get in touch with yourself. After all, faith is all about us isn’t it? Just look at the photographs of St. Joan of Arc and the photos on the Traditio web site. They are not photographs of Roman Catholic Mass, not as we know it. They are photographs of the future of our church unless we take action to save it.

MOST SACRED HEART OF JESUS HAVE MERCY ON US.

 

[contemplative]

palmas85:

They are photographs of the future of our church unless we take action to save it.

I have been wondering if it is too much water over the dam. Is this what we have left after the flood overflow? Has the infection poured itself out and we are now just looking at what is left of the body? Do we pick up the pieces from here? How do we pick up the pieces?
Do we pick existing scabs off or let them fall off on their own?

Did you ever watch a scabbed wound on your body heal?

St. Joan of Arc and the likes is a festering wound that is need of healing.

 

[contemplative]

Jesus talks about cleaning in John chapter 13.

Can anyone else add to this?

 

[palmas85]

Somehow, someway, the Catholics who STILL believe in God the Father Almighty, in Jesus Christ his only begotten son, in the Holy Ghost the Paraclete, in one Holy, Catholic and Apostoic Church, in the Communion of Saints, in the resurrection of the body and the promise of life everlasting, must shake off the untruths that we have allowed to enter the church. and return to the true faith. And no, I am not talking about making the traditional Latin rite the only rite, far from it. I am talking about the fundamental beliefs of the church, what is actually taught to our children in catechism, what converts to the Faith are told, what the priests and the Bishops preach, how the Holy Mass is celebrated, how we approach the world, everything we think and do. We need to stand proud and confident in the Faith, the Faith of the Apostles, the Faith of the Saints, the Faith of God himself.

In the old days, the Holy Mass ended differently, and for those who don’t know, I would like to share a part of it with you, that to me seems particularly relevant today

Holy Michael Archangel, defend us in this day of battle.
Be our sfaeguard against the wickedness and snares of the Devil May God rebuke him we humbly pray and do thou, prince of the heavenly host by the power of GOD thrust down to Hell Satan and all wicked spirits, who wander through the world seeking the destruction of souls.

COR JESU SACRATISSIMUM
MISERERE NOBIS
COR JESU SACRATISSIMUM
MISERERE NOBIS
COR JESUS SACRATISSIMUM
MISERERE NOBIS.

 

[contemplative]

palmas85:

In the old days, the Holy Mass ended differently, and for those who don’t know, I would like to share a part of it with you, that to me seems particularly relevant today

Holy Michael Archangel, defend us in this day of battle.
Be our sfaeguard against the wickedness and snares of the Devil May God rebuke him we humbly pray and do thou, prince of the heavenly host by the power of GOD thrust down to Hell Satan and all wicked spirits, who wander through the world seeking the destruction of souls.

COR JESU SACRATISSIMUM
MISERERE NOBIS
COR JESU SACRATISSIMUM
MISERERE NOBIS
COR JESUS SACRATISSIMUM
MISERERE NOBIS.

We all need to return to this concluding prayer.

 

[Micki]

Micki:

I sent them an e-mail message asking for the schedule for Eucharistic Adoration. Do you think they have Eucharistic Adoration?

Micki

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!
Despite the note on the web site stating that ALL e-mails will be answered, no one from St. Joan’s let me know about Eucharistic Adoration!!!

Micki

 

[Fergal]

Micki:

Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!
Despite the note on the web site stating that ALL e-mails will be answered, no one from St. Joan’s let me know about Eucharistic Adoration!!!

Micki

See what happens when consciences are pricked? Their silence speaks volumes.

Maybe a follow up message to them??

 

[C_S_P_B]

We should all remember that this Archdiocese ordained 15 new priests. The majority of these priests come from parishes like St. Agnes, Holy Family, St. Olaf, St. Augustian and other great parishes.

There is the highest concentration of Eucharistic Adoration in the world.

There is a resurgance of young orthodox catholics. Catholic Bible study is florishing and a great national conference www.calledtolead.com will happen in July.

Archbishop Flynn is moving around a lot of priests because of the great number of new priests. The pendulum is shifting in this Archdiocese. There is much to be thankful for.

How long can “Catholic lite” survive when it is the orthodox parishes producing the new priests.

Where are the passionate “Catholic lite” new priests to expand the St. Joan of Arc view of the world? Does this parish produce any new priests? If not, then eventually it must die off or split from being Catholic.

Take the long view… 10 years, 25 years, 50 years.

Steve

 

[Scotty_PGH]

C S P B:

We should all remember that this Archdiocese ordained 15 new priests. The majority of these priests come from parishes like St. Agnes, Holy Family, St. Olaf, St. Augustian and other great parishes.

There is the highest concentration of Eucharistic Adoration in the world.

There is a resurgance of young orthodox catholics. Catholic Bible study is florishing and a great national conference www.calledtolead.com will happen in July.

Archbishop Flynn is moving around a lot of priests because of the great number of new priests. The pendulum is shifting in this Archdiocese. There is much to be thankful for.

How long can “Catholic lite” survive when it is the orthodox parishes producing the new priests.

Where are the passionate “Catholic lite” new priests to expand the St. Joan of Arc view of the world? Does this parish produce any new priests? If not, then eventually it must die off or split from being Catholic.

Take the long view… 10 years, 25 years, 50 years.

Steve

I understand what you’re saying, but waiting on attrition is just not good enough in my opinion. If any old Joe message-board-user like us can stumble on their website and see the awful, deplorable, schimatic, heretical nonsense going on there, why on Earth can’t their Archbishop look at it as well? And if he has seen it but fails to do anything (which we can assume since this stuff appears to have been going on there for years and years), how are we supposed to regard him? I would think a good and Holy Bishop would walk into that parish himself and take immediate action as Jesus did with the merchants in the temple court. What is going on here is FAR worse than people selling pigeons in the courtyard!

 

[C_S_P_B]

To be sure, there is a war going on. It is not strictly a war of attrition, but attrition is on the side striving for a return to faithfulness to the Magisterium.

There are many taking an active role in promoting the truth. The groundswell of the faithful will prevail.

In general I agree with the comments that the Archbishop should do something, but I am also supportive of many of the things he is doing. We can always criticize our leadership for not doing more.

Am I trying to defend him? Not really. He can stand on his own or not. He is ultimately answerable to God for his action or inaction, as are all people. It is true that he has a special role as guardian of his flock.

We should pray that God give Archbishop Flynn the grace and courage to be a shepherd and guardian of the faith, according to God’s will.

Steve

 

[InnocentIII]

cecelia:

The smoke of Satan is in the Church. What makes us think that we have a respite from Satan in this spritual war. He is making strides and he is counting on us to become disheartened. But to fight him, we here in the Church Militant (and let’s never for a minute forget that that’s what we are) need to do combat Satan at the Spiritual level, the level of principalities and powers. So what should we do? Well, it’s commendable that there are so many knowledgeable Catholics on this site, and it’s commendable that through the Internet and through this site, we’re able to know what dissent is going on in our beloved Church. But now, we have to act, and I would recommend that we say the Rosary each day from now on for the intention of driving the smoke of Satan from the Church. We could pray the Rosary as a novena, and change the intention every nine days, but it would always pertain to Satan and the dissidents who seek to destroy the Church. Working together would really energize all of us because frankly I’m getting discouraged. The moral relativism, political correctness, and secular humanism that underlies all of the attacks within and without the Church are getting pretty overwhelming, but that’s part of Satan’s arsenal too, to make us believe that we’re all alone and hence incapable of making a difference. But we as the Church Militant,well that’s a different story. Let’s start praying the Rosary continuously, perpetually, as Catholic Answer Forum Catholics, as members of the Church Militant, so that we can make some headway against Satan and all his pomps.

I agree … I will start this weekend. And I will raise it with our Parish Priest.

 

[springbreeze]

Dear friends

Sounds like this Priest desires ‘bums on seats’ at any cost. It’s clear from the website he is obsessed with seats, the lack of, sitting down, getting a seat etc!

The Catholic Church cannot be compromised just to put those ‘bums on seats’. It is a deception to those people, a poverty to the Truth of Christ Jesus and an offense to God to merge differing philosophies of belief systems at the price of misleading the flock.

There is only one Truth to preach, everything outside of that is not the fullness of Truth but a poverty to it. Though some truths are found in other belief systems, it is not and never will be the full Truth, who is Christ Jesus.

We need only the Gospel and the Tradition of the Catholic Church with firm anchorage and faithfulness to the two pillars, that is, the Eucharist and our Blessed Virgin Mother Mary. Staying within this ensures faithfullness to the gift of salvation in, by and through Christ Jesus.

This Priest has opened the floodgates of deception for himself and his parishoners in a misguided effort to fill the seats in his parish. He could have filled the seats twice over if he had preached the Truth!

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa

 

[InnocentIII]

contemplative:

I have been wondering if it is too much water over the dam. Is this what we have left after the flood overflow? Has the infection poured itself out and we are now just looking at what is left of the body? Do we pick up the pieces from here? How do we pick up the pieces?
Do we pick existing scabs off or let them fall off on their own?

Did you ever watch a scabbed wound on your body heal?

St. Joan of Arc and the likes is a festering wound that is need of healing.

Call me a cockeyed optimist but I am inclined to agree. There is a move back to orthodoxy appearing in the church. We tend to forget that when the reformation began there wasn’t an immediate split. The Church sought to bring the heretics back for some time before it finally became obvious that it wasn’t going to happen. Only then did it find the courage to lay down the faith unambiguously.

Alexander Pope’s take on the Reformation was this

“new presbyter is but old priest writ large”

That one line probably expresses our crisis better than any other. While some bishops are clearly guilty of liberal thinking most simply appear to lack the guts to haul dissenting priests into line. They lack the conviction of a Bruskewitz to tell priests its Rome’s way or the highway. And so priests with greater egos than even Satan do their own thing basking in the media attention and acclaim as radicals.

The hope is that as with the first Reformation, while much will be lost, the Church will respond as it did 400 years ago. we are seeing it in younger priests and bishops restoring orthodoxy - painfully slowly at times it is true. The outrages today are the last hysterical outpourings of those who have finally come to the realisation that theirs is not the vision of the future but a faded nightmare of the past and are desperately hanging on to every last shred of it.

In te, Domini, speravi
non confundar in aeternum

 

[Micki]

Fergal:

See what happens when consciences are pricked? Their silence speaks volumes.

Maybe a follow up message to them??

I did a follow up message encouraging the pastor to begin Eucharistic Adoration. Probably won’t get a response.

Micki

 

[TJD]

Originally posted by CSPB
Archbishop Flynn is moving around a lot of priests because of the great number of new priests. The pendulum is shifting in this Archdiocese. There is much to be thankful for.

It is OK to defend your Bishop. It is heartening to hear that the whole diocese doesn’t resemble St. Joan’s. Maybe if we defend our Bishops more they will have the confidence to discipline us when we need it.

From what I see and read in this thread St Joan’s and her pastor need a time out. Either that or a walk to the wood shed…

Christ’s Peace,