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Huh? How did the Church falter? Presumably, during these centuries, popes, theologians, hundreds of saints, Vatican I, etc couldn’t save the Church from “faltering” but this group can?
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gusdmh
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Do mean like Arianism, the Great Schism, or how St. Francis was asked to rebuild the Church? Those kinds of falterings?
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gusdmh
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I do recall that in the past “non-members” were excluded not because the NCW was some special club, but because “non-members” did not do the catechesis. Hence, should they attend the Mass with the neocats, they might get scared at what they’d experience. But the rules have been updated. All are welcome. And anyone attending for the first time would be asked if they’re Catholic because only Catholics can receive Holy Communion.
Hey, have you ever attended a healing service and Mass for the first time, not knowing what is going on with all the laying of hands and speaking in tongues? Those charismatics can be something. That’s my analogy.
Hey, have you ever attended a healing service and Mass for the first time, not knowing what is going on with all the laying of hands and speaking in tongues? Those charismatics can be something. That’s my analogy.
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curious_cath
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New times require new ways of evangelization. During the centuries the church turned inward in a navel gazing position. For too long, the Catholic church became an arm of colonization, an aid of military conquest around the globe. This did not help to keep the Catholic beliefs genuine in the new converts. This perversion of the teachings of our Lord resulted in a subservient form of faith in the subjugated, rather than a sense of a loving and caring Father in Heaven who sends his Son to die for you. Jesus dies every day in the Eucharist to renew your body of faith in consubstantiation.
When we talk of New Evangelization, we respond to the demand of the time, the expectations of a brand new century and an age of New Spirituality. We go out to the world to meet people and bring forth new grass root communities for Christ. We shift the focus from intertwined power schemes of hierarchical wrestling on the top levels of church leadership to the believers and their communities. We decentralize faith propagation apart from church hierarchy into the hands of the faithful.
This is not something unheard of. Protestant churches have done this for ages. The new time in the world and the Kingdom demands now the Catholic Church to decentralize. We cut out all Machiavellian style Vatican conspiracies and return to the faith of the founding fathers of the early communities. This is the Holy Spirit instructing the elect to move forward on the road of continuous revelation of the divine truth. The spirit was slumbering for centuries because there were no charisms to receive its genuine manifestations. Now it is pouring out freely into the souls of great masses of spiritual hunger.
Just watch the news today, as hundreds of thousands of Neocatechumenal community leaders and grass root members are flocking to Rome in self-giving pilgrimage to meet the Pope and have a feast of the Holy Spirit at the Tor Vergata! Our communities are evangelizing Rome and the people of Italy right now by announcing the Kerygma of Jesus Christ and the Good News to the pagans.
Just keep watching, my brother, and believe!
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curious_cath
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Yes, this is an analogy and not what we practice. In the Neocatechumenal Way we don’t do healing services, the laying of hands and speaking in tongues. These are left to our charismatic brothers whom we greatly respect and think of them as very close to the spirit of Christ.
Yeah, St Francis was an etalon and we don’t need to render his time and his spirituality void in a modern age.
We usually have our Eucharist celebrated at 7:00 p.m. on Saturday nights. All the Catholic brothers and sisters from the parish or all around are welcome.
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DaveBj
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It was tried at out parish, with the full support of the pastor. I went thru the training and went to one of the masses before dropping out. At the time I started a thread in which I detailed my experiences; search on the appropriate terminology and my user name, if you’re interested.
The bottom line for me was that it just felt wrong. Someone else above used the word “cultish”, and that is a word with which I agree – concentration on one man’s teaching, one man’s views on how a Mass should be conducted, one type of music (and a really bad type of music, at that), etc.
In any case, in spite of our pastor’s support, NCW in our parish guttered out like one burning leaf in a rainstorm. I speak only for myself, but I was not sorry to see it disappear.
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The bottom line for me was that it just felt wrong. Someone else above used the word “cultish”, and that is a word with which I agree – concentration on one man’s teaching, one man’s views on how a Mass should be conducted, one type of music (and a really bad type of music, at that), etc.
In any case, in spite of our pastor’s support, NCW in our parish guttered out like one burning leaf in a rainstorm. I speak only for myself, but I was not sorry to see it disappear.
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curious_cath
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This is a wrong view on the Neocatechumenal Way. Our founder and catechist of the international team, Kiko Arguello is not even a leader in the traditional sense. He is just a person to announce the Kerygma to the pagans around the world. The Holy Spirit confirmed his itinerary to faith as successful for our time. These are the words of Pope St. John Paul II who said that.
Kiko is only a person of an efficient method of itinerary that is the Neocatechumenal Way. You are not a member, practically, you are only a person who practices faith by approaching Christ through His Kerygma by walking His way. This is a completely different understanding of leadership. Kiko is more like a guide who helps you to walk that you would do anyway if you are a believer. Of course, pagans tend to quit walking and leave. When they leave, they leave the church. We all have God given freedom of what we do in choice.
Kiko is also a talented artist, painter, sculptor, composer and architect. His music was heard by the Jewish rabbis in New York City when he performed his own oratorio of the Suffering of the Innocent in remembrance of Christ, the unborn babies and Holocaust. Kiko found the common root of Judaism and Catholic faith in the love of the Father that is undivided. The Jewish-Catholic interfaith conversation is based on sound teaching. Jesus was well versed in Isaiah whom He quoted word by word in His earthly life. He was also a Jew with His disciples. Now is the time to come back to our roots and greet our elder brothers in faith of God.
Kiko obtained honorary doctorate from Catholic institutions, he is acknowledged by academia. He became famous based on his catechesis. All authority is based on and coming from evangelization effort. He is a lay member so he cannot be accused of having church power for his own purpose. This is the spirit of New Evangelization when lay people assist the cardinals and the bishops on the local level, even the parish priests, to reach out to the parishioners through announcing the Kerygma to sinners. We are all sinners by choice but the loving Father is forgiving us through the voluntarily accepted malicious death of the Son of Man, who is Jesus.
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curious_cath
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Just out of the news room:
Pope Francis made exhortation to a rally of some 150,000 representatives of the Neocatechumenal Way from 135 countries who gathered on Saturday at the “Tor Vergata” University grounds, on the outskirts of Rome, to thank God for the 50 years of their presence in Rome.
www.vaticannews.va
Pope Francis made exhortation to a rally of some 150,000 representatives of the Neocatechumenal Way from 135 countries who gathered on Saturday at the “Tor Vergata” University grounds, on the outskirts of Rome, to thank God for the 50 years of their presence in Rome.
Pope sends out Neocatechumenal Way on mission - Vatican News
Pope Francis on Saturday joined a rally of the Neocatechumenal, as the movement celebrated the 50th anniversary of its arrival in Rome.
www.vaticannews.va
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