Eviction Freeze

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How about they drive up property prices, making said property unaffordable for many, then increase rents above inflation? In what way is that useful? Social housing is a better solution where rents can remain affordable because theres no profit factor to account for.
 
So every landlord everywhere is simply a money-grubbing robber? I don’t deny that some people get into the business expecting to make oodles of money and that some actually are like the stereotypical “slumlord”, but your statement seems to mean that every single one is predatory and there are none who are just honest people trying their best to at least break even and often not even managing that.

I am not sure what you mean when you say “social housing”. Could you explain it to me?

ETA: And you actually never did answer or even address my direct question. Could you do that also please?
 
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So every landlord everywhere is simply a money-grubbing robber? I don’t deny that some people get into the business expecting to make oodles of money and that some actually are like the stereotypical “slumlord”, but your statement seems to mean that every single one is predatory and there are none who are just honest people trying their best to at least break even and often not even managing that.
They’re not all predatory no, but they do nothing to earn their money. Do they innovate anything? No. Do they create anything? No. Do they produce anything? Again, the answer is no. They sit on their property and accumulate wealth while doing not one thing to earn it. The majority attempt to make as much profit as possible while doing the minimum possible work.
I am not sure what you mean when you say “social housing”. Could you explain it to me?
I’m not sure where you’re from but I’m going to guess the US, social housing here in the UK is more commonly referred to as council housing, I think the closest equivalent in the US is Project Housing. Wiki link for an overview.

ETA: And you actually never did answer or even address my direct question. Could you do that also please?
I actually did, but here’s a more direct one. Providing housing is a social good, providing it as part of an investment portfolio is profiting on the labour of others with no return to society.
 
They’re not all predatory no, but they do nothing to earn their money. Do they innovate anything? No. Do they create anything? No. Do they produce anything? Again, the answer is no. They sit on their property and accumulate wealth while doing not one thing to earn it. The majority attempt to make as much profit as possible while doing the minimum possible work.
Maybe they don’t “work” in that sense, but they at least provide a choice for somebody to rent from them or not.

I know my father’s cousin owned a three-decker and after a while he stopped renting to people. He said he didn’t want any more tenants because they were just a nuisance.
 
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but they do nothing to earn their money
That’s at best an oversimplification. A property owner has to maintain the property, pay the taxes, pay for the property itself, manage the legalities of renting, etc. It is far from a free ride and they really do earn their money.
I think the closest equivalent in the US is Project Housing
I wondered if that was the case. I cannot speak to Council Housing, but the “projects” have turned out to be a disaster in most cases.
providing it as part of an investment portfolio is profiting on the labour of others with no return to society.
Most small rental property owners provide the bulk of the labor involved in maintaining their properties, or hire other small businesses or individual tradespeople to do that work. Not to mention the rest of what is involved in managing a rental property legally. It is nowhere near profiting on the labor of others.

It is apparent that we are just not going to agree on this, so I am out.
 
That’s at best an oversimplification. A property owner has to maintain the property, pay the taxes, pay for the property itself,
That’s called being a homeowner, theres no difference in this paperwork beyond an additional declaration of income in the UK to HMRC for income tax, it takes about an hour or so to do once a year.
manage the legalities of renting, etc. It is far from a free ride and they really do earn their money.
Well in the UK and assuming it’s not a HMO, it needs a gas, electrical and fire safety inspection (literally just make sure the smoke alarms work) annually and that’s your lot. Costs about £60, takes about 20 minutes to do. So were up to, let’s be generous, an hour and a half per year. Hardly a full time job.
I wondered if that was the case. I cannot speak to Council Housing, but the “projects” have turned out to be a disaster in most cases.

They actually worked pretty well from post war up to the late 70’s, early 80’s ish. Then lack of continued investment and the demonisation of the working poor led to exactly what you expect to happen.
 
I’m not one to have any sympathy with landlords, I fail to see what they do for society.
They rent living space to millions of people who would be homeless otherwise. How’s that a bad thing?
 
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Spoken as one who’s never been a landlord.
Spoken like someone who does not understand how few laws there are to protect tenets.
You get an eviction even if its not your own fault in the US it goes on your credit report.

A bad land lord gets sued for being a slum lord its handed in civil court where the worst long term scenario is paying a fine.
You know how hard it is to get someone prohibited from being a landlord? way more then any one family has the money or the luxury to risk their apartment. Those who do have the liquid assets to just leave.

As for being a landlord its a sellers market.

So All I have to say to landlords who have to take it on the chin is the same thing they say to tenets:

“You should have planned for a rainy day.”
“Maybe take a class in programming and get into those high paying jobs.”
“Maybe you should have finished college.”

Now this man:


Deserves a medal. He understood even if he were too proceed with evictions he’d be down at lest a month on rent so he cut his people a break. That’s the forward thinking we need and I promise you those tenets won’t forget it.
 
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My brother owns around 40 rental properties, mainly duplexes and small houses.

He and my father purchased them with cash while my father was alive. My brother was his partner, so he inherited all but one of them, which was willed to me because of work that I had done on it many years ago. I had no objection to this will! I am definitely not interested in being a landlord.

You say that landlords don’t innovate or create anything? My dad was a pipefitter and farmer. That’s how he earned the money to buy properties. My brother is a welder and also studies history.

As for why Dad bought properties, he did it because he loved houses and he loved helping people find a place to live. He was born in 1929 and had graphic memories of the Great Depression, and he wanted to make sure that no one was without a home.

So he saved up and purchased a duplex in cash, and did a lot of work on it himself to make it appealing. Within a year, he had earned enough money to buy a second duplex, and that was the story for the rest of his life and my brother’s life as well.

Most of his properties were true fixer-uppers, real wrecks, and he bought many of them in small towns that were growing, because he figured that people would want to move to the town while they were waiting for their new house to be built so their kids could start school on time–and he was right.

He and my brother had a crew of distant relatives, friends, co-workers, etc. and each person had a skill; e.g., one of my cousins was great at laying floors. They all got together and had a great time fixing up the houses, and my dad paid them decent wages and fed them well.

One time they were fixing up a house out in Amish country, and a crowd of little boys in their old-fashioned clothes watched. My dad asked them if they would like to help, and they all came running. He put them to work picking up nails, and after an hour or so, he gave each of them five dollars and thanked them for their good work! They were thrilled!

Back in the 1970s, he was the first person in our city to rent an apartment on the “good side of town” to a black family. He received death threats for that, but he said, “I don’t care what color their skin is as long as they pay their rent.”

He always charged rents far below what the market was, and he looked for renters who needed a break, a chance to live somewhere safe. He would take a couple of hundred dollars off the rent in exchange for “sweat equity”–mowing the lawn, painting the bedrooms (he supplied the paint, brushes, etc.), planting a flower garden, etc.

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He rented to immigrants, and allowed large families to move in, although at one point, he had to call authorities because 48 people were living in one 3-bedroom apartment. It was a violation of city zoning laws.

People who rented from him would tell their friends, and there was always a waiting list to get into one of his rental properties.

One family was able to save enough money because of their low rent to be able to buy a house of their own!

Dad passed away in 2013, but my brother continues his “sweat equity to reduce your rent” practice.

I think a lot more landlords are more like my dad and brother than like the greedy folks that you portray. Americans are generous people and many Americans are more than willing to give others a break. However, they have to pay the bills that come with owning property, and so they can’t sustain months of no rent payments.

There are a lot of bills up in Congress right now, and many of these bills have all kinds of “extras” tacked on–it’s a political war tactic, and it makes me sick that they are using this pandemic to further their own political ambitions.

My suggestion is that those who are concerned over evictions should step up and help pay the rent for those who can’t. Either pay it out of your own savings or salary, and/or start a fund in your circle of acquaintances so that a larger amount of money is available to help those less fortunate. There’s a good chance that there are already charities in your city, possibly associated with your parish, that help people to pay rent. Contribute to those, and STOP accusing landlords of being greedy or worse. It’s slanderous and mean-spirited.

And keep in mind what others on this thread have said because it’s true–unemployment benefits are fairly generous, usually around 90% of salary. Someone who is receiving unemployment benefits should be able to pay their rent.
 
I have been coming to these boards for 10 years.

Rarely have I seen a more ill-informed post.

It is a mere excoriation of all landlords as producing nothing; and merely sitting around with their hands out.

It is evident that you neither know landlords nor have any concept of what they do.

What do landlords produce: places for people to live.

Not everyone wants or can afford a freestanding home.

Most landlords - particularly residential ones - make little money. Want a better (and much more hassle free) investment? The stock market.

Landlords are the ones who get called at 2am when the hot water or heat quits…or when the trash pickup is late…or where neighbor x is mad because neighbor y has a dog…etc. it is usually a thankless task.

They front the risk by paying the mortgage and the property taxes.

LLs do this while hearing every conceivable bad excuse for why the rent is late - and under the state of US laws it is very difficult (sometimes functionally impossible) to evict a residential tenant.
 
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Thanks! Upkeep is actually a big one.

You’ve touched on something the “landlords are shylocks”-crowd misses: No one is ever as kind to someone else’s property as they are to their own. Tenants are notoriously unconcerned with how they leave an apartment; what their dog does to the carpets; etc., and a security deposit is often cold comfort compared to what a tenant can do to an apartment when they don’t care about it’s condition - let alone when they actively don’t like the landlord. I knew one LL who had a tenant change his motorcycle’s oil in the living room - leaving it all over the floor for the LL to deal with after the LL evicted him for being like a year behind on rent.
 
I’m not one to have any sympathy with landlords, I fail to see what they do for society.
Providing housing for those who do not have the means or the ability to be home owners is a great service to society
 
They sit on their property and accumulate wealth while doing not one thing to earn it.
I’ll be sure to pass that on to my landlord of 10 years who, in his 80s and in heat index of 108 was outside our house all day yesterday overseeing plumbing repairs and himself digging out old shrubbery.
 
Indeed.

After 20+ years experience, on 2 residential properties which were family residences (my family) and came through inheritance, I can add the sentiment value of what I grew up with, my relatives’ residences, one built by my father, for those relatives.

I could tell stories. Indeed.

Most pertinently, major repairs to one will begin shortly, replacing a roof. It’s time. And will cost roughly one full year of profits above routine expenses for that house, assuming the estimate is accurate. Last year, maintenance there cost roughly 70% of the profits.

Point? We don’t receive anything while doing nothing. We meaning my sibling and myself.

Folks here seem to be speaking of landlords as folks on the Non-Catholic board speak of protestants. It depends on which one you’re thinking of.
 
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I love how the point of the thread: Contact your government reps to secure more funding and freeze evictions to save lives and people are saying “What about the landlords?”

Landlords are people who can die from a virus. That should be your take away.
The fact EWTN even did a story on Mario (the Brooklyn Landlord mentioned above)
should at lest get most of the catholic on here attention.

Landlords can’t collect rent from the sick and dead.
 
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I wouldn’t try to. But I’d rather have a slow-paying (in these circumstances) tenant than an empty property. They get broken into. Or the H/AC gets trashed for the copper. Been there.
 
I’m not one to have any sympathy with landlords, I fail to see what they do for society.
Other than provide housing for those who either cannot afford a house, or choose for other reasons to not purchase one,hmmm… that is a pretty good start.

And the range can be from an efficiency apartment (close the door, sneeze and you risk a concussion) to large apartment complexes with multiple amenities, and often an interior nicer than a starting home. And many landlords are members of the same community.

Having been a Realtor listing and selling duplex, triplex and fourplexes, I have heard the stories from the landlords of tenants who appear to have maliciously damaged interiors in the tens of thousands of dollars, so I guess in a way the same could be said for tenants. They are a small minority, but can do an incredible amount of damage and then walk away.

But that would be as unfair to all the good tenants as would be your comment to landlords.
 
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