Evidence for a Multiverse?

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We all know the universe exists. Some people offer the hypothetical that many universes could co-exist. What concrete proof is there for a multiverse?

Has our universe ever bumped into another one? šŸ˜‰
 
There have been models that the Big Bang was caused by two universes ā€œcollidingā€, creating a flash of energy and the start of the universe as we know it. Of course, that proposes some higher dimensional space ā€œoutsideā€ our universe that itā€™s floating around in. But thereā€™s not really any evidence there.

Thereā€™s others that see a recent ā€œcold spotā€ found in space as evidence of mulyiverse contact, but thatā€™s just one speculative hypothesis to explain the phenomenon and not.

So mostly, to my knowledge, itā€™s just a mathematically possible explanation, and we donā€™t have any direct evidence of it.
 
Thereā€™s others that see a recent ā€œcold spotā€ found in space as evidence of mulyiverse contact, but thatā€™s just one speculative hypothesis to explain the phenomenon and notā€¦
Iā€™m curious as to why itā€™s supposed that a ā€œcold spotā€ would be evidence of multiverse contact. It could just as well be evidence of some other phenomenon, especially if there are any number of ā€œcold spotsā€ all around the universe. So far as I know, only one cold spot has been found.

There are supposed to be two trillion galaxies in the observable universe. How many more galaxies exist in the unobserved universe is anybodyā€™s guess. There may be millions or even billions of cold spots spread throughout the universe, which might suggest a phenomenon quite different from a multiverse at work.
 
Iā€™m not sure why you keep bringing this up. You have been told on very many occasions that there is no direct evidence. It is simply a logical hypothetical based on what we now know about the early formation of this universe.

It has no bearing IN THE SLIGHTEST as to whether God exists or not.
 
Iā€™m not sure why you keep bringing this up. You have been told on very many occasions that there is no direct evidence. It is simply a logical hypothetical based on what we now know about the early formation of this universe.

It has no bearing IN THE SLIGHTEST as to whether God exists or not.
Exactly.
 
ā€œPossible worldsā€ is a philosophical term that is used to describe what modal claims means. There are different opinions about the ontology of the possible worlds. David Lewis is one philosopher who favors modal realism and argues that the possible worlds ought to be understood as spatiotemporal units. This view is close to multiverse.
Other philosophers, for example Alvin Plantinga, holds that a possible world should be analyzed as a maximal state of affairs and that they are abstract entities contained in our world.
 
ā€œPossible worldsā€ is a philosophical term that is used to describe what modal claims means. There are different opinions about the ontology of the possible worlds. David Lewis is one philosopher who favors modal realism and argues that the possible worlds ought to be understood as spatiotemporal units. This view is close to multiverse.
Other philosophers, for example Alvin Plantinga, holds that a possible world should be analyzed as a maximal state of affairs and that they are abstract entities contained in our world.
Lewisian arguments for modal realism are good. Another route would be more theistic: something to the effect that everything that can be created is created.
 
Settle down guys. Itā€™s just a mathematical possibilityā€¦
 
We all know the universe exists. Some people offer the hypothetical that many universes could co-exist. What concrete proof is there for a multiverse?

Has our universe ever bumped into another one? šŸ˜‰
First, let me suggest an article in First Things by Catholic theoretical physicist, Stephen Barr:
firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/06/the-large-hadron-collider-the-multiverse-and-me-and-my-friends

There really is no concrete proof that more than one universe exists. Theories of a ā€œmultiverseā€ are one type of mathematical-physical model for explaining bizarre phenomena that occur at the edges of the two major fields of modern physics: general relativity and quantum mechanics.

From my perspective, there are four important problems that give rise to speculation about the multiverse (more actually, but to simplify the discussion):
(1) the wave-particle nature of light, in particular, as demonstrated in the ā€œdouble slitā€ experiments;
(2) ā€œfine tuningā€ of fundamental constants of the universe;
(3) the ā€œanthropic principle,ā€ which just means that we only see what we are able to see, based on the speed of light and our current position in spacetime; and most importantly,
(4) the preference in modern science for mechanistic explanations of physical phenomena (which in atheist circles reduces to philosophical naturalism and total rejection of God, but in theist circles is constrained by limits of mathematics, observations, and experiments we can run economically).

Multiverse theories can have different underlying assumptions, and can include notions of:
  • ā€œparallel universesā€ that weakly interact with ours,
  • ā€œlocal universesā€ donā€™t interact with each other because theyā€™re separated by a large distance in spacetime
  • eternal expansion of the multiverse, within which new universes emerge or ā€œnucleateā€
  • proliferation of universes, with one universe created for every possible alternative possibility that has ever occurred within the universe
  • an infinite number of alternative universes that have all possible ranges of fundamental constants (e.g., the magnitude of gravitational force, the cosmological constant), so that by necessity ours ā€“ which bears life ā€“ must exist.
To my understanding, positing a multiverse is not the only way to solve the conundrum posed by problems 1-4, above. For example, John Wheelerā€™s ā€œParticipatory Anthropic Principleā€ extends some ā€œspookyā€ properties of quantum mechanics (based on the double-slit experiments and an experiment called delayed choice) to posit that the entire past spacetime history of the universe (including, possibly, the values of fundamental constants) reshapes itself to ensure that the observations made by living observers occur. Hereā€™s an article on that theory, which to me is a thoroughgoingly modern restatement of teleology, but a potential nightmare for epistemology and science in general: discovermagazine.com/2002/jun/featuniverse

There are other approaches to the problem.
 
Iā€™m not sure why you keep bringing this up. You have been told on very many occasions that there is no direct evidence. It is simply a logical hypothetical based on what we now know about the early formation of this universe.

It has no bearing IN THE SLIGHTEST as to whether God exists or not.
But it might have some bearing on whether or not the hypothesis has been promoted by atheists as a way to get around the fine tuning of our own universe that seems to have been intelligently designed.

carm.org/atheism-and-the-multiverse

Einstein wanted an infinite universe. Lemaitre took it away from him with the Big Bang.

Now whom do you suppose wants to give it back? šŸ¤·
 
I know its not what you are looking for, but the best proof is that the math involving them works!
 
But it might have some bearing on whether or not the hypothesis has been promoted by atheists as a way to get around the fine tuning of our own universe that seems to have been intelligently designed.

carm.org/atheism-and-the-multiverse

Einstein wanted an infinite universe. Lemaitre took it away from him with the Big Bang.

Now whom do you suppose wants to give it back? šŸ¤·
Universe can have a beginning and be infinite at the same time. Just think of a vertical line (with infinite length) which moves along horizontal axis, time.
 
Universe can have a beginning and be infinite at the same time. Just think of a vertical line (with infinite length) which moves along horizontal axis, time.
The Big Bang does not posit an infinite universe.

It posits only a finite universe that is expanding.
 
The Big Bang does not posit an infinite universe.

It posits only a finite universe that is expanding.
It has to posit an infinite universe. I have a thread on this topic in here. The argument applies to the universe whether in the beginning, Big Bang, or later.
 
It has to posit an infinite universe. I have a thread on this topic in here. The argument applies to the universe whether in the beginning, Big Bang, or later.
You posted this in the other thread:

*2) Any form is possible in a infinite universe
3) Therefore everything is possible without the grand design *

So in an infinite universe, can you find a human who could jump down his own throat? šŸ˜ƒ
 
You posted this in the other thread:

*2) Any form is possible in a infinite universe
3) Therefore everything is possible without the grand design *

So in an infinite universe, can you find a human who could jump down his own throat? šŸ˜ƒ
First, I meant the argument about infiniteness of the universe. Second, you could have everything, even the another Charlemagne asking the same question on Catholic Forum. šŸ˜ƒ
 
First, I meant the argument about infiniteness of the universe. Second, you could have everything, even the another Charlemagne asking the same question on Catholic Forum. šŸ˜ƒ
Thereā€™s one and only one Charlemagne! Cest moi! šŸ˜‰
 
The Big Bang does not posit an infinite universe.

It posits only a finite universe that is expanding.
You need to do a lot more study on this. Whether the universe is infinite depends on its shape. If itā€™s flat then itā€™s infinite. All evidence, to an accuracy of 0.4% indicates that itā€™s flat.
 
You need to do a lot more study on this. Whether the universe is infinite depends on its shape. If itā€™s flat then itā€™s infinite. All evidence, to an accuracy of 0.4% indicates that itā€™s flat.
A flat universe could be finite, if it were folded so as to form a circle, for example.
 
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