Evidence for afterlife?

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Out of body near death experiences are not concrete evidence of anything except that the person almost died. The brain is a very tricky thing. I mean, really tricky. Just take some college courses or read online to find out just how much your brain is willing to just fabricate and make stuff just to make you happy. It could’ve been a dream, or their mind could’ve made it up because they, even on some level, knew they would be clinically dead with no brain function, and therefore thought that they should have an out of body experience and so their brain made one up.

Stating that there was no brain function doesn’t negate that their brain made something up. For one thing, the brain is not a lightbulb, there is no quick on and off switch. Let’s take that woman with the anuerism as an example. There was ‘cooldown’ and ‘warm-up’ time while she was unconscious. It could’ve easily happened during either or both those times, since a short amount of real time can turn into a long amount of dream time. Or even random people who get into horrible accidents and their brain shuts down. If they come out of it, there’s still tons of time when they’re unconscious with brain function to dream stuff up.

Also, saying it felt ‘really really real’ is downright horrible evidence. I’ve had tons of dreams that I could’ve sworn were real, and I know just about everybody else has too. Nobody (or very few people) try to claim those dreams are evidence of anything despite how real they are. Why? Because it wouldn’t accomplish an agenda. Since you’re not in a position of death/near-death, you can’t claim supernatural activity. And since I didn’t experience anything heaven related, nobody can use that to try and say it’s evidence of God.

So, that’s the hard, logical point of view. Now for the religious. Even from a religious standpoint, it just doesn’t make a lick of sense if you think about it longer than five seconds. Heaven/Hell is supposed to be a one way trip. Sometimes/usually you make a pit stop in Purgatory, which is still a one way trip. To say that you can be allowed into Heaven temporarily is tentamount to sacrilige because it states, however indirectly, that God can be fooled into thinking you’re dead. The Bible is pretty clear on your judgement being final, and the only way you could possibly get into Heaven/Hell is if God judged you. Which means that God thought you were dead. But you weren’t, and eventually you get yanked back out by human hands. None of that makes even a little sense. But sometimes that hurts people’s feelings because they think they saw God or whatever. Which, it can make sense for God to come to you while you’re at your weakest possible state, and give you what you need. But to say that you were actually in Heaven is just proposterous.

There is no real concrete evidence of God, and I doubt there ever will be. That’s why faith is so precious.
 
Amen Jochoa! thats it exactly. And cho pilo, the faith that you need to have is in God and Hid Holy Word. So no it wont help in finding a job.
What exactly are you saying? That faith in God won’t help finding a job?
 
Please concisely provide your arguments.

The lecture is almost two hours!
Nah - listen to it - you will benefit greatly. 🙂

But, anyone else who does take the time will know your arguments do not stand.
 
Out of body near death experiences are not concrete evidence of anything except that the person almost died. The brain is a very tricky thing. I mean, really tricky. Just take some college courses or read online to find out just how much your brain is willing to just fabricate and make stuff just to make you happy. It could’ve been a dream, or their mind could’ve made it up because they, even on some level, knew they would be clinically dead with no brain function, and therefore thought that they should have an out of body experience and so their brain made one up.

Stating that there was no brain function doesn’t negate that their brain made something up. For one thing, the brain is not a lightbulb, there is no quick on and off switch. Let’s take that woman with the anuerism as an example. There was ‘cooldown’ and ‘warm-up’ time while she was unconscious. It could’ve easily happened during either or both those times, since a short amount of real time can turn into a long amount of dream time. Or even random people who get into horrible accidents and their brain shuts down. If they come out of it, there’s still tons of time when they’re unconscious with brain function to dream stuff up.

Also, saying it felt ‘really really real’ is downright horrible evidence. I’ve had tons of dreams that I could’ve sworn were real, and I know just about everybody else has too. Nobody (or very few people) try to claim those dreams are evidence of anything despite how real they are. Why? Because it wouldn’t accomplish an agenda. Since you’re not in a position of death/near-death, you can’t claim supernatural activity. And since I didn’t experience anything heaven related, nobody can use that to try and say it’s evidence of God.

So, that’s the hard, logical point of view. Now for the religious. Even from a religious standpoint, it just doesn’t make a lick of sense if you think about it longer than five seconds. Heaven/Hell is supposed to be a one way trip. Sometimes/usually you make a pit stop in Purgatory, which is still a one way trip. To say that you can be allowed into Heaven temporarily is tentamount to sacrilige because it states, however indirectly, that God can be fooled into thinking you’re dead. The Bible is pretty clear on your judgement being final, and the only way you could possibly get into Heaven/Hell is if God judged you. Which means that God thought you were dead. But you weren’t, and eventually you get yanked back out by human hands. None of that makes even a little sense. But sometimes that hurts people’s feelings because they think they saw God or whatever. Which, it can make sense for God to come to you while you’re at your weakest possible state, and give you what you need. But to say that you were actually in Heaven is just proposterous.

There is no real concrete evidence of God, and I doubt there ever will be. That’s why faith is so precious.
D’souza works through the “brain” issues pretty well.

As his book title states - there is evidence of life after death.
 
Please concisely provide your arguments.

The lecture is almost two hours!
I would like to try to concisely state my arguments, and perhaps you can kindly share your analysis of my thoughts.

Jesus and the Bible were the first to state and demonstrate the perfect philosophy to obtaining instantaneous and ever-lasting peace, happiness, and energy.
The philosophy: Always [love]be patient(peace), kind(happiness), and motivated(energy) for [God] something inexhaustible and fully considerate of the self, others, authority, and material, with your thoughts[mind], body[heart], interactions[strength], and complete being[soul].
Since this philosophy is unarguably true, concisely/gracefully stated, perfectly demonstrated it in the face of Unjust Hatred, I need no more proof to believe in His Word.
Therefore, according to the Evidence of God (Bible), Jesus Resurrected after his earthly life. What more evidence do we need?
 
… hi dear friends ,

… several yrs ago i produced a lengthy work answering this philosophically with the relevant points and you can read it in a few continual posts of mine on this old thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=30743 it answers the q as best as can i’m sure ,

… may god bless and love you all 👍🙂 ,

… john …
 
D’souza works through the “brain” issues pretty well.

As his book title states - there is evidence of life after death.
Could you sum how exactly he gets around the brain issues? Even in comatose patients that had no brain function, if they ever wake up, there is always some amount of time when the person is unconscious, but the brain is still functional. There’s no real way around it, there’s always a point where a person could dream.

And you didn’t even address my other point. The Church/Bible/God/etc. make it pretty clear that whatever afterlife you go to, you’re not gonna come back. Since that would imply that some people can get multiple judgements. Not to mention it also adds in the possibility of getting kicked out of Heaven once you’re already in, and the possibility of getting out of Hell once you’re already damned, both ideas are considered heresy.
 
Could you sum how exactly he gets around the brain issues? Even in comatose patients that had no brain function, if they ever wake up, there is always some amount of time when the person is unconscious, but the brain is still functional. There’s no real way around it, there’s always a point where a person could dream.

And you didn’t even address my other point. The Church/Bible/God/etc. make it pretty clear that whatever afterlife you go to, you’re not gonna come back. Since that would imply that some people can get multiple judgements. Not to mention it also adds in the possibility of getting kicked out of Heaven once you’re already in, and the possibility of getting out of Hell once you’re already damned, both ideas are considered heresy.
I recommend reading it because the goes through it more thoroughly and better than I.

The soul is expressed through the material brain. If the brain is sick, the soul cannot correctly express itself because of the brain’s physical limitations. If the brain dies, the soul cannot express itself here on earth at all. The soul, being immortal lives on expressing itself.

I don’t remember the other points. Are you sure it was me?

Yes, barring a supernatural intervention (miracle) when you die your soul is not coming back.
 
Let’s test the logical structure of this:

“If you have faith you will know that there is an after life”

so it should also follow, for example:

“If you have faith, you will know that there is a job for every unemployed person etc.”

No, that does not seem to follow at all.
Hi cho pilo,

I agree with both of your statements as far as they go. But try the first statement with
an addition of “because of Jesus, who raised himself from the dead, and is God and He
said so.”

The second statement cannot have that added because God didn’t say so.
Now you knew that didn’t you?
 
Those who have had a near death experience have seen and know there is an afterlife. It is a given. You can find a book at KenKatin.com that explains about near death experiences.
 
Those who have had a near death experience have seen and know there is an afterlife. It is a given. You can find a book at KenKatin.com that explains about near death experiences.
Near Death, is not after-life, it is near the end of life.

After-life would be after the moment of death. And there is no return save by the mercy of God from death to life. Near Death experiences may just be the brain playing with life’s final moments… which are not final in Near Death experiences. They tell us nothing of the afterlife.
 
Do you have evidence that only that which is has sufficient evidence should be believed? I don’t believe you have a mind, could you provide me evidence that you do? I don’t believe you have free-will, can you provide me evidence that you do?

No I’m not trying to be hostile, I’m just making the point that there are some things that cannot be proven with evidence, but we are very rational to accept.

Now before you can even handle the issue of “is there an afterlife” you should probably handle the issue of “does God exist”.

The primary way in which you can know that God exists is through revelation. Reason can only take you so far, and even though reason can take you to belief in God, revelation from the Holy Spirit trumps reason. It’s why Aquinas, after having a vision, declared that his writings were as straw compared to it.

I have had tastes of revelation, enough to devote myself to seeking the full thing. I do not mean I had sensory experiences (I would have thought they were hallucinations), I am talking about something else.

God promised us that when you seek God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind you will find him. He assures us that if you ask you shall receive.

I asked, I recieved. It wasn’t easy, but I knocked and it was opened to me.

If you are a sincere seeker of truth, ask God to stay true to his word. He will reveal himself to you.

If you could care less whether he exists or not, than please stop acting as if you do.
 
I think you miss my intentions. I know there is a God. I believe one should seek the Kingdom of God first as Jesus said and all else will be supplied. Jesus also said “the Kingdom of God is within you.” When I had my near death experience I was in the presence of God. To answer the other reply, the experience called “near death experience” is a death experience. At least in most cases. I just thought that the site would allow you to read a little about them. KenKatin.com

As for evidence, of course, there has been over 35 years of scientific research done on NDEs that show consciousness does continue to live after the death of the body.
 
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