Evidence for Jesus Outside of the Bible

[Aristocles_X]

False.

Although some claim that Jesus never existed it has been almost universally acknowledged by Scholars that Jesus did in fact exist:

"Although there is disagreement about issues such as the calling of disciples, the agreement on crucifixion is very widespread, and most scholars in the third quest for the historical Jesus consider the crucifixion indisputable.[23][59][60][61] Eddy and Boyd state that it is now “firmly established” that there is non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus.[24]Bart Ehrman states that the crucifixion of Jesus on the orders of Pontius Pilate is the most certain element about him.[60]John Dominic Crossan states that the crucifixion of Jesus is as certain as any historical fact can be.[23]John P. Meier views the crucifixion of Jesus as historical fact and states that based on the criterion of embarrassment Christians would not have invented the painful death of their leader.[61] Meier states that a number of other criteria, e.g. the criterion of multiple attestation (i.e. confirmation by more than one source), the criterion of coherence (i.e. that it fits with other historical elements) and the criterion of rejection (i.e. that it is not disputed by ancient sources) help establish the crucifixion of Jesus as a historical event.[62]

Although scholars agree on the historicity of the crucifixion, they differ on the reason and context for it, e.g. both E. P. Sanders and Paula Fredriksen support the historicity of the crucifixion, but contend that Jesus did not foretell his own crucifixion, and that his prediction of the crucifixion is a Christian story.[63]Geza Vermes also views the crucifixion as a historical event but provides his own explanation and background for it."

Even the top secular scholars admit that Jesus existed and was crucified.

Check this out from Mara Bar-Serapion written around 73ad:

“What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise king? It was just after that their kingdom was abolished.”

Yes so you decided to ignore any entire post which refutes most sources brought here. Instead you copy/paste what a few scholars who belive jesus existed. However we are not talking about if he existed or not. We are talking about are there any sources for his existance so your entire post was useless. I myself belive Jesus existed however different from the NT fairy tale Jesus.

As for Mar Bera Serapion letter to his son. It has nothing to do with jesus. Here is a nice refutation of the christian claim by rationalwiki

ere is a fragment of a personal letter from a Syrian named Mara Bar-Serapion to his son in prison that mentions that the Jews of that time had killed their “wise king.” However, the New Testament claims that the Romans, not the Jews, killed Jesus. The Jews had killed other leaders; for example, the Essene Teacher of Righteousness. If this truly is a report of a historical event rather than the passing on of folklore, it could have been a reference to someone else. It does not mention Jesus by name. It is near worthless as evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, yet it can be found on the lists of some Christian scholars as proof that Jesus existed

As i said no evidence. His existance is a matter of faith not historical evidence.

 

[dronald]

Yes so you decided to ignore any entire post which refutes most sources brought here. Instead you copy/paste what a few scholars who belive jesus existed. However we are not talking about if he existed or not. We are talking about are there any sources for his existance so your entire post was useless. I myself belive Jesus existed however different from the NT fairy tale Jesus.

As for Mar Bera Serapion letter to his son. It has nothing to do with jesus. Here is a nice refutation of the christian claim by rationalwiki

ere is a fragment of a personal letter from a Syrian named Mara Bar-Serapion to his son in prison that mentions that the Jews of that time had killed their “wise king.” However, the New Testament claims that the Romans, not the Jews, killed Jesus. The Jews had killed other leaders; for example, the Essene Teacher of Righteousness. If this truly is a report of a historical event rather than the passing on of folklore, it could have been a reference to someone else. It does not mention Jesus by name. It is near worthless as evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, yet it can be found on the lists of some Christian scholars as proof that Jesus existed

As i said no evidence. His existance is a matter of faith not historical evidence.

Because it’s a claim that has been shot down now. To say it’s a matter of faith is also false, seeing as these men I quoted are not religious. Are you saying their findings are a matter of faith?

 

[Boulder257]

I really have seen nothing that indicates Jesus did not exist, but there is much debate on who Jesus was(i.e.-the almighty God, Jehovah, that came to Earth as a man), the virgin birth, etc. For example, do a Google search for, “Jesus Interrupted pdf” and read that. Well written by the head of religious studies at the Univ. of N.C. Plus, you mention “within 150 years”, most historians would like “eyewitnesses”.

I am so tired of people quoting Bart Ehrman as though he is some authoritatize expert on this subject. His conclusions are always drawn by “if then” statements that hardly support a definitive answer. He is a just another theoretical historian without any substantive evidence to support his claims.

 

[steve53]

You can gain an appreciation on who Jesus was if you look closely at the Jewish and Roman cultures of the time, which we can construct from contemporaneous historians.

Hagan in “Year of the Passover” and “Fires of Rome” focuses in on this, creating a timeline in the process.

 

[adawgj]

Yes so you decided to ignore any entire post which refutes most sources brought here. Instead you copy/paste what a few scholars who belive jesus existed. However we are not talking about if he existed or not. We are talking about are there any sources for his existance so your entire post was useless. I myself belive Jesus existed however different from the NT fairy tale Jesus.

As for Mar Bera Serapion letter to his son. It has nothing to do with jesus. Here is a nice refutation of the christian claim by rationalwiki

ere is a fragment of a personal letter from a Syrian named Mara Bar-Serapion to his son in prison that mentions that the Jews of that time had killed their “wise king.” However, the New Testament claims that the Romans, not the Jews, killed Jesus. The Jews had killed other leaders; for example, the Essene Teacher of Righteousness. If this truly is a report of a historical event rather than the passing on of folklore, it could have been a reference to someone else. It does not mention Jesus by name. It is near worthless as evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, yet it can be found on the lists of some Christian scholars as proof that Jesus existed

As i said no evidence. His existance is a matter of faith not historical evidence.

So as a Muslim you don’t believe in Jesus as a historical figure? Now we both have disagreements on his divinity, but both our faiths and traditions do show respect to him as a historical figure.