Evidence for Once Saved Always Saved?

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Telestia said:
[Anyone, who puts themselves under God’s mercy by calling on the name of the LORD, and accepting the atoning Blood of Jesus, will be saved.
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If they are baptized, repent of their sins and endure to the end 😉
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Telestia said:
I am saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, the Perfect Paschal Lamb, that washed away all my sins for all time.
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OK… this goes to the question I asked earlier. So, are you saying that, at the point that you accepted Jesus, all of your sins – even the ones that you will commit years from now – were automatically forgiven? In other words, there’s no need to ask for forgiveness for them when you commit them, since they’re already taken care of?
 
Arthropod said:
I define sola ecclesia as what the previous poster said:
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If that’s what is meant by “sola ecclesia”, then I give it a 👍, with the understanding that sola ecclessia is merely another way of saying Sola Christus.
 
Gorgias said:
OK… this goes to the question I asked earlier. So, are you saying that, at the point that you accepted Jesus, all of your sins – even the ones that you will commit years from now – were automatically forgiven? In other words, there’s no need to ask for forgiveness for them when you commit them, since they’re already taken care of?
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I get a “yes” to that question a lot from my Evangelical friends. They feel no need to repent. Did they miss the Sunday school lesson on asking forgiveness for their sins? :confused:
 
Arthropod said:
***Originally Posted by zz912
Are you able to refuse to pick up your cross daily? What would happen if you should refuse to do so?

Are you able to refuse to take care of your family? What would happen if you should refuse to do so?

Are you able to refuse to forgive others? What would happen if you should refuse to do so***?

Then you don’t love Christ, and are therefore not saved. Christ stated (promised?) that if we love him we will obey his commandments.

As one of the reformers said, we are saved through faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.
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I wasn’t asking about your opinion of ME. I was asking about YOU. Please answer the questions posed about YOU.
 
Arthropod said:
Yes, the church first recieved the truth . . . but as the truth is the Word of God, I suppose God is the ultimate foundation of this truth . . . although I am not sure what exactly you mean by these questions. Perhaps you would elaborate further?

Christ gave the authority to bind and loose to the apostles. Just briefly, there are a number of ways of reading these verses, and I have yet to come to come across a convincing reason why Rome’s version must be the correct one.
I have yet to come across anyone who says the bible alone fulfils this, but I do believe the apostles and the church today can fulfil it without them having to be the infallible final arbiter of truth.

But I am open to any different ideas 🙂 (and I also I don’t want to go in to it too much as it is not really the topic of this thread).
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Yeah…I realize we are going out of topic.

Here is thread…you can certainly join on binding and loosing, which asks a situation in a protestant synod, look at the discussion on pages 1 to 3 of the thread…forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=750529
 
aidanbradypop said:
I would like to know why our Protestant brothers and sisters in Christ believe this. When I was Protestant, I never bought into the idea. 🤷
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I went to a church which taught “once saved always saved unless you fall away”. Do you think that fits Catholic theology better?
 
Christian_Unity said:
I went to a church which taught “once saved always saved unless you fall away”. Do you think that fits Catholic theology better?
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haha, that’s an oxymoron. So that church was basically just refuting OSAS.

OSAS has no foundation in the Bible or any other legitimate teaching. You will go to Heaven if you are in a state of grace at the time of your death, regardless of your previous conduct.
 
dshix said:
haha, that’s an oxymoron. So that church was basically just refuting OSAS.

OSAS has no foundation in the Bible or any other legitimate teaching. You will go to Heaven if you are in a state of grace at the time of your death, regardless of your previous conduct.
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That appears works oriented in a way to me. What do you mean by a state of grace? Doesn’t it take the grace of God to enable us to stay in a state of grace?
 
Christian_Unity said:
That appears works oriented in a way to me. What do you mean by a state of grace? Doesn’t it take the grace of God to enable us to stay in a state of grace?
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Sorry, I jumped ahead a bit too fast.

At any given time, a person can be in a state of grace or not. What I mean by that is that if they have recently committed a grave sin, and have not yet confessed it, their soul is in a state of mortal sin, and they have temporarily lost sanctifying grace.

If a person dies in such a state and is unrepentant, they will go to Hell. If they confess their sins and receive forgiveness, they regain a state of grace and will go to Heaven if they die.

There is no “predestination” or “OSAS.” A person goes to Hell or Heaven based on what state their soul is in at the time of their death.
 
dshix said:
Sorry, I jumped ahead a bit too fast.

At any given time, a person can be in a state of grace or not. What I mean by that is that if they have recently committed a grave sin, and have not yet confessed it, their soul is in a state of mortal sin, and they have temporarily lost sanctifying grace.

If a person dies in such a state and is unrepentant, they will go to Hell. If they confess their sins and receive forgiveness, they regain a state of grace and will go to Heaven if they die.

There is no “predestination” or “OSAS.” A person goes to Hell or Heaven based on what state their soul is in at the time of their death.
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catholicchampion.blogspot.com/2009/08/misunderstanding-of-catholic.html

I think a few Catholic Saints would disagree with you in regards to predestination.
 
i always thought those who believe in this false doctrine got it from the Thief on the Cross who recognized that Jesus did no wrong and Jesus said he would be in Paradise with him that day.

I am pretty sure the early Christians did not believe in OSAS
 
Christian_Unity said:
catholicchampion.blogspot.com/2009/08/misunderstanding-of-catholic.html

I think a few Catholic Saints would disagree with you in regards to predestination.
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You would be correct, but not in the way you think. Catholics do not understand predestination in the same manner as a Calvinist. But predestination, from the standpoint of it being based upon God’s foreknowledge of our response to his grace is the basic Catholic position as far as I know. I certainly do not claim to be an expert on this issue but the Catholic Encyclopedia covers it in great detail.
 
JustaServant said:
Telestia,
Where in the Bible or anywhere in Church history do you find the idea of salvation as a one time only “event”?
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I am not Telestia, but how about this:
God (speaking through Luke):
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
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Or try this:
God (speaking through Paul):
5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.”[a] 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”** (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’”[c] (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[d] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.** 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]
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Arthropod said:
I am not Telestia, but how about this:

Or try this:
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Neither of those verses states that salvation is a one time event, Arthropod.

St. Dismas, (the Good Thief) was saved, clearly, but no one knows what would have happened to him had he declared Jesus to be Lord and savior, but later sinned.

If he had been given the opportunity to sin, then his salvation is not assured.
 
PRmerger said:
Neither of those verses state that salvation is a one time event, Arthropod.

St. Dismas, (the Good Thief) was saved, clearly, but no one knows what would have happened to him had he declared Jesus to be Lord and savior, but later sinned.

If he had been given the opportunity to sin, then his salvation is not assured.
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I would like to expand on your post a bit if I may and say that Christ told the Good Thief that you will be with me in “Paradise.” The debate about what paradise means is ongoing. Is paradise Purgatory or The Kingdom of God? Who really knows, but I believe the Good Thief professed his love for Christ and will be reward for that but will also be judged on his life as well. We all are held accountable for our actions.
 
PRmerger said:
Neither of those verses state that salvation is a one time event, Arthropod.
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That’s what happens when one desparately tries to find something that is a novel, revisionistic belief within the pages of a book that never claims it. You have to make the Bible fit your belief, not the other way around.
It was a simple question, I’ll try to emphasize it to make it easier for him.
Where in the Bible or anywhere in Church history do you find the idea of salvation as a one time only "event"?
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