Evidence that God Exists

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Is there ontological evidence for God’s existence or only logical proofs for God’s existence? Is there evidence for God’s existence that is sufficient to jusitify belief in God? Is it sufficient to justify belief in the existence of a particular God?

Isn’t the old fall back on faith just an excuse to believe whatever a person wants since it does not require evidence?
 
What differentiates us from other creatures on Earth? I would submit to you that it is the ability to think beyond our physical existence. To consider what might be beyond.

We have an eternal seed inside us that begs the question “What else is there?”

Now look at something like this bigskyastroclub.org/pale_blue_dot.htm and consider the odds.

Next, you have the fact that God has revealed himself to us through history, culminating in his real, physical presence here in Jesus Christ our Lord. A real, tangible and historical touchstone we can relate to.

In order to communicate these wonderous things to each other we have an amazing vessel- The Church. A living record that calls out to us through history with the truth. Cardinal Newman taught that truth for it’s own sake has always been the essence of the Church’s message.

The problem is our relationship with God, which is broken. You need to pray, it’s the only way you will discover the truth for yourself. It’s the only way you will find God is really there and really loves you.

God Bless & keep you. 🙂
 
FightingFat said:
Next, you have the fact that God has revealed himself to us through history, culminating in his real, physical presence here in Jesus Christ our Lord. A real, tangible and historical touchstone we can relate to.

In order to communicate these wonderous things to each other we have an amazing vessel- The Church. A living record that calls out to us through history with the truth. Cardinal Newman taught that truth for it’s own sake has always been the essence of the Church’s message.
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What is the evidence that God revealed himself in history? If it is the Bible, have you read the works of Richard Friedman or Bart Ehrman for example? In any case you have not presented any evidence that God has revealed himself in history.
The problem is our relationship with God, which is broken. You need to pray, it’s the only way you will discover the truth for yourself. It’s the only way you will find God is really there and really loves you.

God Bless & keep you. 🙂
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Where is the evidence that there is a God? Just suggesting that someone prays is not evidence that there is a God.
 
FightingFat said:
I’m sorry if my answer is too simplistic for you. I was merely trying to explain my own position.
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I want to know what you mean by begs the question. You are not using it in the normal fashion.
 
Ammonius_Saccus said:
I want to know what you mean by begs the question. You are not using it in the normal fashion.
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Well, for me, I don’t feel that all the experiences, memories, thoughts and processes that make me me can just cease. I feel that things exist other than what I can feel, touch, see and sample. I believe in a spiritual world which exists alongside our own.
 
Ammonius_Saccus said:
I see no evidence that there is.
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OK.

If you are looking for empirical evidence of the existence of God, there is none over and above the wonder of creation you see around you. The desire we have to live in community. The love you feel in your heart.
 
FightingFat said:
Well, for me, I don’t feel that all the experiences, memories, thoughts and processes that make me me can just cease. I feel that things exist other than what I can feel, touch, see and sample. I believe in a spiritual world which exists alongside our own.
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What evidence do you have that this is actually the case or are you just believing what you want to be true?
 
Ammonius_Saccus said:
What evidence do you have that this is actually the case or are you just believing what you want to be true?
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None whatsoever. What evidence do you have that I am a real person and not just a figment of your imagination?
 
Ammonius_Saccus said:
How is that? Do you even know what begs the question means?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
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Dear Ammonius,

FightingFat used it correctly. “What else is there?” is INHERENT in our nature. In the same way, the “begging the question” fallacy exists when a certain question already contains within itself - that is, it is INHERENT - the very answer which it seeks.

“Begging the question” means you don’t even need to argue or state it - it is already obvious (once again, INHERENT).

In rhetoric, it is a fallacy to try to prove something that is already self-evident in your “proof.” To say, “you are begging the question” is equivalent to saying, “that is so obvious it does not need to be said.” In the same way, FightingFat is basically saying (by using the phrase “begs the question”) that to be human presupposes the need (or perhaps ability) to recognize something beyond ourselves.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
Perhaps this’ll be a better explanation for you. I know this is simplistic, but its a rather easy way to explain this.

Do you believe in air? You can’t see it. You can’t smell it. We can’t see God. We can’t smell God.

But the wind blows. Air can be heated. Air can be cooled. Without air, we couldn’t breathe, we couldn’t make tea and water would always taste stale.

We experience God in our own ways, just like air. We don’t need more evidence than our own experiences. But for those that need it, there is physical evidence of God, even historical evidence. The Shroud of Turin. The tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The Rosary. The Scapular. The Miraculous Medal. The Divine Mercy image. It goes on and on.

I hope this explanation is sufficient for you. If not…perhaps someone will come along with another explanation for you.
 
seremina said:
Perhaps this’ll be a better explanation for you. I know this is simplistic, but its a rather easy way to explain this.

Do you believe in air? You can’t see it. You can’t smell it. We can’t see God. We can’t smell God.

But the wind blows. Air can be heated. Air can be cooled. Without air, we couldn’t breathe, we couldn’t make tea and water would always taste stale.
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How can we experience God is the ways that air can be experienced? Air (or molecules that make up air) can be shown to exist. What actual evidence can you present for the existence of God?
 
mardukm said:
Dear Ammonius,

FightingFat used it correctly. “What else is there?”
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That is just not true. There is nothing in the logical construct that man exists that begs the question of what else is there.
 
seremina said:
We experience God in our own ways, just like air. We don’t need more evidence than our own experiences. But for those that need it, there is physical evidence of God, even historical evidence. The Shroud of Turin.

the best evidence is that it is a fake. At the very least there is no evidence to justify what many claim it is.

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he tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe. The Rosary. The Scapular. The Miraculous Medal. The Divine Mercy image.
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FightingFat said:
Through the Sacraments.
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How can we see God in the sacraments? The one I am most familiar with is the Eucharist which makes no change that we can see. In fact all the evidence shows that the wafer does not change in any way.

The theory about accidents is cleary just a rationalization since the evidence shows the wafer does not change.
 
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