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Bearing in mind that my priest knows me quite well from my emails and I have no wish to override what he says etc though that is relation to particular acts and he knows the full story whereas you guys don’t…

but what is evil to you…?
 
I am assuming you’re not speaking of Satan, but rather about the nature of evil in humanity.

Evil is the rejection of God’s will. Being that God is all that is good (Love), any rejection of Him is necessarily something that is -not- good, and therefore evil. When we reject his will we are rejecting love, and when we reject love we are engaging in evil actions.
 
I am assuming you’re not speaking of Satan, but rather about the nature of evil in humanity.

Evil is the rejection of God’s will. Being that God is all that is good (Love), any rejection of Him is necessarily something that is -not- good, and therefore evil. When we reject his will we are rejecting love, and when we reject love we are engaging in evil actions.
I concur
 
I am assuming you’re not speaking of Satan, but rather about the nature of evil in humanity.

Evil is the rejection of God’s will. Being that God is all that is good (Love), any rejection of Him is necessarily something that is -not- good, and therefore evil. When we reject his will we are rejecting love, and when we reject love we are engaging in evil actions.
I do not know in anser to your question on assuming as hadn’t thought about it that much as such.

But in relation to your paragraph I am going to copy that out because you have may be knowingly or not, answered what is going off for me and will send that to my priest in context of what I say to him because it really has made a huge difference to my way of thinking even in this short space of time. I now know ‘evil’ is indeed the wrong word though he did try to go through that with me last week in confession and I have tried working on it since but now I know why it the wrong word but with an easier sense of mind and with what he has said to the broader whats happening for me, can work at getting closer to the, truth? Evil was a short word to use and felt true for what I was saying about but in essence is really not so because I dont reject Gods’ love… naturally without saying too much about everything so thank you for a wise post
 
I don’t know really how to define evil. I don’t believe in absolutes, so, I’m not sure I’d define some “sins” as evil.

For example, it is a sin to lie. However, that’s an absolute, which I don’t believe in. Is it a sin to lie to Nazi Germany that I don’t know where any Jews are hiding when I indeed do know where some Jews are hiding?

Theft is also a sin, but that too seems like an absolute. For example, what if all the food was in the hands of a gluttonous dictator, and all the rest of society was starving. If I knew someone on his or her death bed in need of some nutrients, and this tyrannical glutton refused to share, would it be a sin for me to steal the food or would it be better to let this someone die. Also, suppose, it is an easy feat for me to steal these nutrients.

In cases like that, it would appear to me, to be evil if I did not sin. In other words, it would appear to be evil to me if I did not lie and if I did not steal.

Also, evil can be so relative, I doubt anyone would say George Washington or Thomas Jefferson were evil people, but they did own slaves. I’m not sure many people would say that there owning of slaves was an evil thing, but today slavery is definitely evil.

So, its very hard for me to define evil.One could say evil is separation from God or to do things ungodly or that God is love, but still that answer leaves me lacking. To me, genocide is evil, but God wiped out most of existence with a flood, destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and commanded the Israelites to slaughter the Caananites and the Amelekites. Yet, that act was not evil, right? Before you say that there was no godly person amongst them or that they were all evil is it possible that there were pregnant women? toddlers? and children below the age of 10 who were killed? Can an unborn baby, toddler, or child be evil or ungodly? How were you when you were three, did you deserve death?

If someone were to try to slaughter a large group of people, then undoubtedly we would perceive them and the act as evil, Hitler comes to mind. If someone killed babies we would of course think that such person was evil as well. Yet, the act isn’t necessarily evil apparently, so long as God allows.

Yet, I don’t like that answer. If, today, 2013, God commanded that all the North Koreans, Chinese, Iranians, or similar group be slaughtered without repentance, every man, woman, child and livestock, I don’t think that I would ever consider that to be good (Imagine thousands of little children being gunned down and slaughtered). Indeed, that sounds evil to me.

So, I’m left not really knowing what evil is. Evil isn’t necessarily sin, and what I consider to be evil is not necessarily evil to God (at least to me).
 
If good =God’s will, then by definition anything God wills will be good. If God willed that torturing babies was good, it would be good. However, if you say that God would never will that because torturing babies is intrinsically evil, then good does not = God’s will because the fact that torturing babies is evil is outside God’s will and even God must submit to moral law if he wishes to be good.
 
If good =God’s will, then by definition anything God wills will be good. If God willed that torturing babies was good, it would be good. However, if you say that God would never will that because torturing babies is intrinsically evil, then good does not = God’s will because the fact that torturing babies is evil is outside God’s will and even God must submit to moral law if he wishes to be good.
Yeah, this is interesting. I don’t really feel the need to look at contingencies and “if’s” here. God killed everyone with the flood (which is a literal interpretation, not sure what the allegorical one would be) of those dead, there were probably thousands upon thousands of babies and thousands upon thousands of children under the age of 10. These kids died by asphyxiation through drowning, a terrible way to die as the waters caved in over them. I cannot look at that act, and say it was good. I may not be God, but even as a man I can tell that drowning of thousands, perhaps millions, of babies is not good.

Similarly, the Israelites were told to kill the Amelekites, every man woman and child. Amongst these children were probably newborns, perhaps a day or two old, and at the very least Children below the age of 5. Children whom likely did not know any better and were just unfortunately born to an Amelekite people who picked the wrong God. I cannot say that the killing of these children was good, even though God ordered it. Imagine a two year old gutted by knives by the Israeli army or set on fire. Imagine his screams and inability to articulate words in his defense because he is still to young to know how to speak. Such a situation does not strike me as good.

Or killing all the firstborn children of Egypt if the family did not barbarically smear cow’s blood over the door frame. Children who did nothing wrong, but whose lives were slaughtered. Is it ever appropriate to kill babies who did nothing wrong to prove a point? Just because Pharoah said no, does that mean that its good for babies to die? Indeed, Pharoah didn’t really even say no, God took away his free will as Exodus 9:12 says, “God hardened Pharoah’s heart” so that Pharoah would not let the Israelites go.

For such reasons, my faith continues to dwindle. I am human and that does not seem to be good. If I was all-knowing, all-powerful, and omnipresent, I would try to find another way.
 
Nothing.

‘‘Evil’’ does not exist.

Sarah x 🙂
Now I am liking that and that does match up in that when I say if one doesn’t believe in God then one doesn’t go to Heaven and neither do they go to Hell because all are concepts of God. So too would be that Evil does not exist… But to follow it through would you say good exists

But sadly, or not so sadly, depending on which side of the fence one is on, when my priest sat there telling me “that ‘this’ isn’t evil” he wasn’t meaning from the angle that evil don’t exist. I do know he was trying to tell me xyz wasn’t evil because its … But with thanks to an earlier post I think I know what he was getting at that bit more. But yes, I like that, that evil does not exist. When we all sit there and say they are evil for doing whatever crime… you therefore wouldn’t say that would you about anyone if evil don’t exist. So no one is evil and no behaviour is evil if we are seeing it through…?
 
When we all sit there and say they are evil for doing whatever crime… you therefore wouldn’t say that would you about anyone if evil don’t exist. So no one is evil and no behaviour is evil if we are seeing it through…?
Right.

I don’t believe anyone is evil.

I do believe people do bad things, that can be understood in the context of their environment, social status, education, expectation, employment status and very frequently, their mental health status.

Correct those, and you find the corresponding improvement in socially acceptable behavior.

While horrific tragic events continue to happen all around, usually perpetrated by people on people, I don’t believe there is anything ‘evil’ at the root of these events, nor is there anything ‘evil’ in the people who commit such crimes.

They are a product of the world they find themselves in.

Sarah x 🙂
 
Right.

I don’t believe anyone is evil.

I do believe people do bad things, that can be understood in the context of their environment, social status, education, expectation, employment status and very frequently, their mental health status.

Correct those, and you find the corresponding improvement in socially acceptable behavior.

While horrific tragic events continue to happen all around, usually perpetrated by people on people, I don’t believe there is anything ‘evil’ at the root of these events, nor is there anything ‘evil’ in the people who commit such crimes.

They are a product of the world they find themselves in.

Sarah x 🙂
That is how I think about people so in reality I can’t apply to myself that don’t exist to anyone and I think this is how majority of people view evil as such.

I just need another word but that going to be hard after all my adult life thinking that concept…👍
 
That is how I think about people so in reality I can’t apply to myself that don’t exist to anyone and I think this is how majority of people view evil as such.

I just need another word but that going to be hard after all my adult life thinking that concept…👍
If you don’t believe in evil no one is to blame for anything whatsoever. A highly convenient stratagem which provides a carte blanche for self-indulgence at the expense of everyone else… Poor Hitler and Stalin! They were really very good men doing what they had to do… 😉
 
I didnt say I didn’t believe in Evil…🙂

But also I am not sure about Stalin, Hitler and hell, because I do happen to think no one goes to hell because God judges us, each one of us totally different to how we judge us. We use common everyday expressions to judge us and I am convinced God don’t judge us in the same way.

I happen to think that Heaven and Hell are concepts used to control us because some people, most people respond to that form of thinking. I do believe in God, 100%. But people do things because of the fear of hell and that they will go to heaven. Would they do things without those concepts. I don’t know. But I do know there a lot of misguided stuff and picking out everything so that we can just be who we are with God, God loves us, so why can’t we do that?

And of course there are two different concepts of Evil. Christian Evil and Non Christian Evil. I don’t know and I don’t get it and it why I need to keep things simplistic for me. What I am trying to get away from is me saying Im feeling evil, if it isn’t that. rather than there isn’t evil
 
I didnt say I didn’t believe in Evil…🙂
Thank heaven for that!😉
But also I am not sure about Stalin, Hitler and hell, because I do happen to think no one goes to hell because God judges us, each one of us totally different to how we judge us. We use common everyday expressions to judge us and I am convinced God don’t judge us in the same way.
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I happen to think that Heaven and Hell are concepts used to control us because some people, most people respond to that form of thinking. I do believe in God, 100%. But people do things because of the fear of hell and that they will go to heaven. Would they do things without those concepts. I don’t know. But I do know there a lot of misguided stuff and picking out everything so that we can just be who we are with God, God loves us, so why can’t we do that?
Not everyone responds like that - as Jesus discovered with the Pharisees and denounced them in no uncertain terms…
And of course there are two different concepts of Evil. Christian Evil and Non Christian Evil. I don’t know and I don’t get it and it why I need to keep things simplistic for me. What I am trying to get away from is me saying I’m feeling evil, if it isn’t that. rather than there isn’t evil
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Feelings are notoriously deceptive and a source of much unnecessary misery.
 
Bearing in mind that my priest knows me quite well from my emails and I have no wish to override what he says etc though that is relation to particular acts and he knows the full story whereas you guys don’t…

but what is evil to you…?
Evil to me is an invisible thread. It is the notion of “doership” in relation to certain thought-adjuncts which birth a series of actions that belate the “Now.”
 
Evil to me is an invisible thread. It is the notion of “doership” in relation to certain thought-adjuncts which birth a series of actions that belate the “Now.”
could you explain that a bit more in layman’s terms please. I understand the invisible thread but. I understand the “now” part because read that book:) evil is going against the now is perhaps what you are suggesting…? I got more but will let you answer that first…
 
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