EVOLUTION: A Catholic Solution?

[Orogeny]

Ok - now mining companies are interested in areas of research to profit them. They don’t care much about philosophy. Same with military and medicine too.

Medicine, too? Ever heard of embryonic stem cells?

I would like to focus on the areas of paoleontology, cosmology, biology, etc… The areas of research that actually result in evolutionism. (the philosophy)

I don’t know. I studied paleontology and the result wasn’t “evolutionism”.

Perhaps we should just stop studying those things if they result in “evolutionism”.

Peace

Tim

 

[edwest2]

or to attempt to justify his own atheism. Hmmm - if I can weaken the faith of Catholics and I must be right in my own beliefs.

Well, the trend here is: here’s the scientific evidence, your so-called holy book is wrong, here and here, so time for you to stop believing in that nonsense and get on board with science. After all, we know your holy book is just a book cobbled together by a bunch of primitive sheep herders who plagiarized a bunch of myths.

In atheist circles, science is a god. Sometimes written science/reason and reality. Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. God knows I’m not perfect, yet God had mecy on me. Pray for them.

Peace,
Ed

 

[The_Barbarian]

Ok - now mining companies are interested in areas of research to profit them. They don’t care much about philosophy.

Neither do most scientists. They want a theory that works. That’s why evolutionary theory is accepted by the vast majority of them.

I would like to focus on the areas of paoleontology, cosmology, biology, etc… The areas of research that actually result in evolutionism. (the philosophy)

You might best start a new thread for “evolutionism.” We’ve been talking about evolution and evolutionary theory here. Whatever you think it is, “evolutionism” seems to have little to do with what scientists study.

 

[edwest2]

The Church acknowledges that our species could evolve by natural means. But it asserts that each of us gets an immortal soul directly from God.

“could evolve by natural means”? Without God’s direct causal action, evolution simply could not exist. See Human Persons Created in the Image of God, part 69.

Peace,
Ed

 

[buffalo]

Medicine, too? Ever heard of embryonic stem cells?I don’t know. I studied paleontology and the result wasn’t “evolutionism”.

Perhaps we should just stop studying those things if they result in “evolutionism”.

Peace

Tim

Well at least paying for the ones that turn into religion.

 

[buffalo]

Neither do most scientists. They want a theory that works. That’s why evolutionary theory is accepted by the vast majority of them.

You might best start a new thread for “evolutionism.” We’ve been talking about evolution and evolutionary theory here. Whatever you think it is, “evolutionism” seems to have little to do with what scientists study.

Good - if scientists only study theory, why do they make philosophical pronouncements? Isn’t it beyond their competence?

Now I do agree that a lot of scientific research has nothing to do with it any philosophy at all.

 

[reggieM]

Ever heard of embryonic stem cells?

Thus use of which is a good example of the immoral potential of modern science, set adrift from Catholic morality. Thus, religion must be a foundation for science.

 

[Orogeny]

Thus use of which is a good example of the immoral potential of modern science, set adrift from Catholic morality. Thus, religion must be a foundation for science.

So should all research grant applications be passed through the Vatican before approval?

The recently announced trial of a treatment of spinal injuries using embryonic stem cells was a sad day. The research into that treatment was paid for with private funds. Should private investors have to have the Vatican’s blessing before investing in research?

Peace

Tim

 

[edwest2]

So should all research grant applications be passed through the Vatican before approval?

The recently announced trial of a treatment of spinal injuries using embryonic stem cells was a sad day. The research into that treatment was paid for with private funds. Should private investors have to have the Vatican’s blessing before investing in research?

Peace

Tim

As the head of the Body of Christ on earth, the Church is following that work which was done before and is engaging science today to ensure that the identity and dignity of the human person is made plain - who and what we are - so that the dignity and life of the human person is protected from conception to natural death.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Orogeny]

As the head of the Body of Christ on earth, the Church is following that work which was done before and is engaging science today to ensure that the identity and dignity of the human person is made plain - who and what we are - so that the dignity and life of the human person is protected from conception to natural death.

Was that actually meant to be an answer to my question?

Peace

Tim

 

[buffalo]

So should all research grant applications be passed through the Vatican before approval?

The recently announced trial of a treatment of spinal injuries using embryonic stem cells was a sad day. The research into that treatment was paid for with private funds. Should private investors have to have the Vatican’s blessing before investing in research?

Peace

Tim

Actually I like this idea. Pass it by the The National Catholic Bioethics Center.

It was paid for by private funds because the Bush admin blocked funding by government. The government prosecutes the funding of illegal activities, it should prosecute the funding of unethical or immoral activities.

Guidance is indeed needed. Time and time again I see on the forum a request for credentials. If you want to know what is moral and ethical go to the experts - the Catholic Church.

 

[reggieM]

So should all research grant applications be passed through the Vatican before approval?

The recently announced trial of a treatment of spinal injuries using embryonic stem cells was a sad day. The research into that treatment was paid for with private funds. Should private investors have to have the Vatican’s blessing before investing in research?

Peace

Tim

Should all of our actions be subject to the moral teaching of Christ as given through His Holy Church?

Well, if you’re not interested in going to heaven and you want to spend an eternity with Satan, then there’s no problem. Go do what you want and pay for it later.

The same is true for Catholic scientists. Go abort children and use them for science if you want. At least you won’t have to worry about “getting the Vatican’s blessing”. (please note sarcasm here).

Welcome to the amoral world of the scientific establishment.

 

[reggieM]

If you want to know what is moral and ethical go to the experts - the Catholic Church.

Right. Because the Catholic Church is the true path to salvation, and that’s what we’re supposed to be proclaiming.

 

[reggieM]

Actually I like this idea. Pass it by the The National Catholic Bioethics Center.

It was paid for by private funds because the Bush admin blocked funding by government. The government prosecutes the funding of illegal activities, it should prosecute the funding of unethical or immoral activities.

Excellent suggestion. Science must be bound by the moral law of God or else it will do some very profound evil in our world.

 

[grannymh]

Excellent suggestion. Science must be bound by the moral law of God or else it will do some very profound evil in our world.

The use of science (not science itself) and the application of science is already making evil possible especially in the U.S. Example FOCA

 

[reggieM]

The use of science (not science itself) and the application of science is already making evil possible especially in the U.S. Example FOCA

Exactly right. Abortion is one of the evil products of the scientific establishment.

 

[edwest2]

Some scientists are concerned that the Church stands in the way of what they’ve decided is medical progress. Their goal, acording to them, is ending human suffering and restoring function to damaged or diseased bodies.

The disconnect occurs when they deny the scientifically proveable fact that all of them began life as human embryos - unique human beings. It is one thing for adults to give their consent for medical experiments and quite another for an embryo which cannot give consent.

But they are hiding behind words - redefinitions for killing. Excess embryos from in-vitro fertilization which are just going to get thrown out anyway, why not use them? It is sad that anyone can refer to human embryos as “medical waste” but they do.

Those with natural human hearts should feel revulsion for turning human embryos into parts bins. But you are standing in the way of “science!” No, the Church is standing in the way of the killing of human life.

But if we are just animals, as some would have us believe, we use rats and guinea pigs all the time for medical research, right? It seems that was the sort of thinking in Communist Russia - people were expendable. Or the racial laws, based on science, in Nazi Germany.

The Church is the voice of clarity in a world that tries to tell you that you should doubt your own rational thoughts and human emotions. The military doesn’t go into a village anymore and announce they killed every man, woman and child in it (Vietnam), they “depopulated” it. See, that doesn’t conjure up any horrible mental images, right? Depopulate – I wonder who comes up with such nonsense. They just reduced human beings to a hill of ants.

Clarity is what we need.

Peace,
Ed

 

[buffalo]

It would seem that there are no dissenters to the Church being involved. :clapping: :extrahappy: :dancing:

 

[Orogeny]

Should all of our actions be subject to the moral teaching of Christ as given through His Holy Church?

Well, if you’re not interested in going to heaven and you want to spend an eternity with Satan, then there’s no problem. Go do what you want and pay for it later.

The same is true for Catholic scientists. Go abort children and use them for science if you want. At least you won’t have to worry about “getting the Vatican’s blessing”. (please note sarcasm here).

Welcome to the amoral world of the scientific establishment.

Well, its not a surprise for me that you think I am going to hell, but lucky for me you don’t get a vote.

The Church isn’t opposed to science, reggie. Why are you?

Peace

Tim

 

[grannymh]

It would seem that there are no dissenters to the Church being involved. :clapping: :extrahappy: :dancing:

And who is the “Church”? And just how and when?